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Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?
Originally Posted by Rsurfer
The next big hype will be graphene.
You will see this in not only detailing supplies...
Graphene is hydrophilic.
Wonder how much hyping of that
characteristic it’s going to take to
win over the ‘beading-crowd’?
Bob
"Be wary of the man who urges an action in which he himself incurs no risk."
~Joaquin de Setanti
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Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?
Originally Posted by FUNX650
Graphene is hydrophilic.
Wonder how much hyping of that
characteristic it’s going to take to
win over the ‘beading-crowd’?
Bob
Eh, it still beads enough to satisfy folks, likely due to the other elements in it, possibly Silazane and Polydimenthylsiloxane.
Enough that mfg's still use 'hydrophobic' in the description anyway. Regardless, the beads will satisfy all but the most ardent contact-angle fans.
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Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?
Originally Posted by FUNX650
Graphene is hydrophilic.
Wonder how much hyping of that
characteristic it’s going to take to
win over the ‘beading-crowd’?
Bob
From Idiocracy
Secretary of State: But Brawndo's got what plants crave.
It's got electrolytes.
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Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?
Originally Posted by Mike Phillips
Secretary of State: But Brawndo's got what plants crave.
It's got electrolytes.
Plus it's backed up by the FDA, FCC, USDA and Beef Supreme !
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Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?
Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1
Eh, it still beads enough to satisfy folks, likely due to the other elements in it, possibly Silazane and Polydimenthylsiloxane.
Enough that mfg's still use 'hydrophobic' in the description anyway. Regardless, the beads will satisfy all but the most ardent contact-angle fans.
•Eh, And you know this how?
-Link? TIA
Bob
"Be wary of the man who urges an action in which he himself incurs no risk."
~Joaquin de Setanti
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Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?
Originally Posted by Dan Tran
I’m old fashioned. What can I say.
I guess I am too.
I love the way my sealants/hybrid waxes (Collinite) work. I am satisfied with the 6-8 months I get from them.
I do not mind applying them bi-annually. In fact, I really enjoy the process.
I don't feel the need to apply something that claims to last "Up to 2 years" (I read into that 1year) and then have to "babysit" it the same as a traditional wax/sealant.
Lastly, while I really enjoy the detailing of my vehicles..... I hate to spend more than I think I should.
$75-150 for a coating vs. 30 bucks for a can of 476 which will last me untold years. (14 applications now, and there is approximately 7/8ths of the can left.
To each his own, but I remain firmly planted in the "Old Fashion Camp".
It is no coincidence that man's best friend cannot talk.
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Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?
Originally Posted by FUNX650
•Eh, And you know this how?
-Link? TIA
Bob
Why, because the packaging notes sez so!
Tried to send ya PM with links and such but yer at your limit for PM's
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Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?
Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1
Why, because the packaging notes sez so!
•That’s just one of their methods of “hyping”.
-Kinda duplicitous, in a manner of speaking.
-Hucksters...OOOPS, “Hypers”...discovered a
long time ago that there are big profits in
recycling old ideas with new nomenclature.
Example:
•Remember Meguiar’s NXT 2.0?
-Because it wasn’t formulated during the
current onslaught of “Silica infused” hype,
Meguiar’s may have, inadvertently, over-
looked a primo hyping opportunity, IMO.
(But it’s said that hind-sight is 20/20)
-I’d almost bet the farm that it contained
almost as much, if not more, “Silica” than
does many of the current offerings on the
market today. And their Chemists even
threw in some Titanium—if that don’t take
the cake!
•Now, it appears to me that, to be ‘up-to-date’:
Meguiar’s has, also, piled-on the Ceramic/Silica
bandwagon—by recycling an old idea.
”What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.”
~Ecclesiastes 1:9
Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1
Tried to send ya PM with links and such
but yer at your limit for PM's
Why not Post ‘em up, so they can be made
available for all interested parties?
Bob
"Be wary of the man who urges an action in which he himself incurs no risk."
~Joaquin de Setanti
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Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?
Originally Posted by FUNX650
•That’s just one of their methods of “hyping”.
-Kinda duplicitous, in a manner of speaking.
-Hucksters...OOOPS, “Hypers”...discovered a
long time ago that there are big profits in
recycling old ideas with new nomenclature.
Example:
•Remember Meguiar’s NXT 2.0?
-Because it wasn’t formulated during the
current onslaught of “Silica infused” hype,
Meguiar’s may have, inadvertently, over-
looked a primo hyping opportunity, IMO.
(But it’s said that hind-sight is 20/20)
-I’d almost bet the farm that it contained
almost as much, if not more, “Silica” than
does many of the current offerings on the
market today. And their Chemists even
threw in some Titanium—if that don’t take
the cake!
•Now, it appears to me that, to be ‘up-to-date’:
Meguiar’s has, also, piled-on the Ceramic/Silica
bandwagon—by recycling an old idea.
”What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.”
~Ecclesiastes 1:9
Why not Post ‘em up, so they can be made
available for all interested parties?
Bob
Skeptic, eh?
Edit: As it could be construed as promoting a non-AG product on their forum, I removed the link to my notes and mfg info.
Regardless, it's a very effective product whether made with graphene, candle wax or eye of newt; nomenclature aside, that's where the rubber meets the road for me.
As with anything, YMMV.
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Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?
Consumer companies have to keep up with the trends in order not to get pushed out of the market. Ever since true ceramics swept up the professional market, it was only a matter of time before this trend gravitated towards the OTC sellers. And we're still in the early stages, 2019 was practically the start of the blended sio2/ceramic consumer era and we're just now seeing the top consumer companies coming out with full lineups. So I would prepare for a lot more to come, and hopefully we get some gems out of it that exceed the performance of or push prices down of some of the products in the prosumer/enthusiast/professional lines.
As for the next breakthrough, I'm pretty satisfied with the performance that current coatings offer. CQuartz will outlast my personal polishing maintenance schedule, I will have wash-induced marring that I will want to remove well before the coating dies out. I suppose the next breakthrough for me is a sprayable coating as durable as CQuartz with the ease of use as a spray wax.
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