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    Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rsurfer View Post
    The next big hype will be graphene.
    You will see this in not only detailing supplies...
    Graphene is hydrophilic.

    Wonder how much hyping of that
    characteristic it’s going to take to
    win over the ‘beading-crowd’?


    Bob
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    Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?

    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX650 View Post
    Graphene is hydrophilic.

    Wonder how much hyping of that
    characteristic it’s going to take to
    win over the ‘beading-crowd’?


    Bob
    Eh, it still beads enough to satisfy folks, likely due to the other elements in it, possibly Silazane and Polydimenthylsiloxane.

    Enough that mfg's still use 'hydrophobic' in the description anyway. Regardless, the beads will satisfy all but the most ardent contact-angle fans.

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    Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?

    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX650 View Post
    Graphene is hydrophilic.

    Wonder how much hyping of that
    characteristic it’s going to take to
    win over the ‘beading-crowd’?


    Bob
    From Idiocracy

    Secretary of State: But Brawndo's got what plants crave.

    It's got electrolytes.



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    Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Phillips View Post

    Secretary of State: But Brawndo's got what plants crave.

    It's got electrolytes.



    Plus it's backed up by the FDA, FCC, USDA and Beef Supreme !

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    Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?

    Quote Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1 View Post
    Eh, it still beads enough to satisfy folks, likely due to the other elements in it, possibly Silazane and Polydimenthylsiloxane.

    Enough that mfg's still use 'hydrophobic' in the description anyway. Regardless, the beads will satisfy all but the most ardent contact-angle fans.
    •Eh, And you know this how?
    -Link? TIA


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    Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Tran View Post
    I’m old fashioned. What can I say.
    I guess I am too.

    I love the way my sealants/hybrid waxes (Collinite) work. I am satisfied with the 6-8 months I get from them.

    I do not mind applying them bi-annually. In fact, I really enjoy the process.

    I don't feel the need to apply something that claims to last "Up to 2 years" (I read into that 1year) and then have to "babysit" it the same as a traditional wax/sealant.

    Lastly, while I really enjoy the detailing of my vehicles..... I hate to spend more than I think I should.

    $75-150 for a coating vs. 30 bucks for a can of 476 which will last me untold years. (14 applications now, and there is approximately 7/8ths of the can left.

    To each his own, but I remain firmly planted in the "Old Fashion Camp".
    It is no coincidence that man's best friend cannot talk.

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    Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?

    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX650 View Post
    •Eh, And you know this how?
    -Link? TIA


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    Why, because the packaging notes sez so! Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?

    Tried to send ya PM with links and such but yer at your limit for PM's

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    Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?

    Quote Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1 View Post
    Why, because the packaging notes sez so! Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?
    •That’s just one of their methods of “hyping”.
    -Kinda duplicitous, in a manner of speaking.

    -Hucksters...OOOPS, “Hypers”...discovered a
    long time ago that there are big profits in
    recycling old ideas with new nomenclature.

    Example:
    •Remember Meguiar’s NXT 2.0?

    -Because it wasn’t formulated during the
    current onslaught of “Silica infused” hype,
    Meguiar’s may have, inadvertently, over-
    looked a primo hyping opportunity, IMO.
    (But it’s said that hind-sight is 20/20)

    -I’d almost bet the farm that it contained
    almost as much, if not more, “Silica” than
    does many of the current offerings on the
    market today. And their Chemists even
    threw in some Titanium—if that don’t take
    the cake!


    •Now, it appears to me that, to be ‘up-to-date’:
    Meguiar’s has, also, piled-on the Ceramic/Silica
    bandwagon—by recycling an old idea.



    ”What has been will be again,
    what has been done will be done again;
    there is nothing new under the sun.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by BudgetPlan1 View Post
    Tried to send ya PM with links and such
    but yer at your limit for PM's
    Why not Post ‘em up, so they can be made
    available for all interested parties?


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    Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?

    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX650 View Post
    •That’s just one of their methods of “hyping”.
    -Kinda duplicitous, in a manner of speaking.

    -Hucksters...OOOPS, “Hypers”...discovered a
    long time ago that there are big profits in
    recycling old ideas with new nomenclature.

    Example:
    •Remember Meguiar’s NXT 2.0?

    -Because it wasn’t formulated during the
    current onslaught of “Silica infused” hype,
    Meguiar’s may have, inadvertently, over-
    looked a primo hyping opportunity, IMO.
    (But it’s said that hind-sight is 20/20)

    -I’d almost bet the farm that it contained
    almost as much, if not more, “Silica” than
    does many of the current offerings on the
    market today. And their Chemists even
    threw in some Titanium—if that don’t take
    the cake!


    •Now, it appears to me that, to be ‘up-to-date’:
    Meguiar’s has, also, piled-on the Ceramic/Silica
    bandwagon—by recycling an old idea.



    ”What has been will be again,
    what has been done will be done again;
    there is nothing new under the sun.”

    ~Ecclesiastes 1:9





    Why not Post ‘em up, so they can be made
    available for all interested parties?


    Bob
    Skeptic, eh? Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?

    Edit: As it could be construed as promoting a non-AG product on their forum, I removed the link to my notes and mfg info.

    Regardless, it's a very effective product whether made with graphene, candle wax or eye of newt; nomenclature aside, that's where the rubber meets the road for me.

    As with anything, YMMV.

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    Re: Is Anyone Else Tired of All the Ceramic Pile-Ons?

    Consumer companies have to keep up with the trends in order not to get pushed out of the market. Ever since true ceramics swept up the professional market, it was only a matter of time before this trend gravitated towards the OTC sellers. And we're still in the early stages, 2019 was practically the start of the blended sio2/ceramic consumer era and we're just now seeing the top consumer companies coming out with full lineups. So I would prepare for a lot more to come, and hopefully we get some gems out of it that exceed the performance of or push prices down of some of the products in the prosumer/enthusiast/professional lines.

    As for the next breakthrough, I'm pretty satisfied with the performance that current coatings offer. CQuartz will outlast my personal polishing maintenance schedule, I will have wash-induced marring that I will want to remove well before the coating dies out. I suppose the next breakthrough for me is a sprayable coating as durable as CQuartz with the ease of use as a spray wax.

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