Ceramic Coating & Apply Wax/Sealant On Top?

[bryanviper]

Ok guys, I'm in a few different car groups on FB & I have seen more and more guys recommending that they ceramic coat their car or wheels then apply some wax/sealant on top & then apply some spray wax. Everything I have read says do not do this because it will take away the coatings features as to why its so great, ie self cleaning properties, hydrophobic properties etc etc. You only apply a topper from the coating manufacture or similar. Yet some of these guys are set on applying some crappy chemical guys wax/sealant on top of a nice ceramic coating.

Now maybe I'm wrong? Which is why i'm asking you pros if these guys are correct and im just totally off?

Thanks

[bofh]

Two things come to mind: 1) the ceramic will shed the outer layers pretty quickly, 2) the ceramic is a superior surface than any sealant or wax. They are wasting their time, IMHO.

[acuRAS82]

Two things come to mind: 1) the ceramic will shed the outer layers pretty quickly, 2) the ceramic is a superior surface than any sealant or wax. They are wasting their time, IMHO.

Will the ceramic shed the sealant/wax? I don’t know the answer, except for having 6 week old Souveran wax on top of an Angelwax Ti-22 prep layer (not exact same as a coating though) and it still present (in bad, worn out shape).

I know Essence Extreme can be topped with any LSP product type with success based on other’s accounts. Again, not the same as a coating but similar idea.

I do agree 100% that topping a coating with a mediocre wax is a complete waste of the coating for as long as the wax is present.

[FUNX650]

Ok guys, I'm in a few different car groups
on FB & I have seen more and more guys
recommending that they ceramic coat their
car or wheels then apply some wax/sealant
on top & then apply some spray wax.

Everything I have read says do not do this
because it will take away the coatings features
as to why its so great, ie self cleaning properties,
hydrophobic properties etc etc.

You only apply a topper from the coating
manufacture or similar. Yet some of these
guys are set on applying some crappy
__________ wax/sealant on top of a nice
ceramic coating.

Now maybe I'm wrong?
Which is why i'm asking you pros if these
guys are correct and im just totally off?

Reminds me of the meaning behind the oft-
(mis)quoted, Shakespearean-attributed phrase:

”Gild the Lily”

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From: (The Life and Death of) King John

(Enter) EARL of SALISBURY:

‘Therefore, to be possess'd with double pomp,
To guard a title that was rich before,
To gild refined gold, to paint the lily,
To throw a perfume on the violet,
To smooth the ice, or add another hue
Unto the rainbow, or with taper-light
To seek the beauteous eye of heaven to garnish,
Is wasteful and ridiculous excess. ~Shakespeare

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As above; so below:

•I believe, in principle, that attempting to
“gild a Coating”...is an exercise in futility.


Bob

[Mike lambert]

Gyeon would recommend a wax on top if you were releasing the car into a rain situation to help prevent water spots until the coating was fully cured. The waxes and Sealant won’t last and as said, they take on the water and dirt behavior on the surface. It is a total waste of time and money, but it is your car. I tell my clients, you have INVESTED a great deal of money with me and the coating. Why would you do something that I didn’t tell you to do?

[AaronE]

I stick within the manufacturers recommendation on my own cars coating. I figure the made their little coating "ecosystem" to work together and not adversely affect the properties that give the coating it's value

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[SWETM]

As Mike Lambert mentions that some coatings you are recommended to apply a sacrificial layer over the coating to reduce the water spotting risk while it gets cured fully. Useally they recommend a specific product for this. Like Gyeon Cure and Carpro Reload. But after that it's not recommended to use a topper. Until the coating performance has degraded so a topper is of a benefit to use. As if you think what the names of this products means Reload and Cure. Then it's not either saying that you can't use a topper. IMO if you don't have any extreme problems with water spotting I would have the coating bare as long as possible before you start to top it up or you Reload it or you Cure the coating. But as long as your coating has it's highest performance I would want that from it and when degraded maybe around of it's first year you may have a benefit to top it. This can varies a lot when this happens though. It takes a little longer time than the first week for a ceramic coating to be cured fully and it's hydrophobic caractics of it is at it's best. This is where the sacrificial layer came as a protection during this time. Then the coating is fully cured when these wears off and you have the highest performance from it from then on. Not all coatings needs this sacrificial layer of protection even directly after the coating is applyied.