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    Soft black paint for Noobs

    GDay Autogeeks

    I have recently acquired a new Holden SSV (essentially a Chev SS) in the soft GM black colour. Phantom Metalic. I have it a once over with Ultimate Compound than Ultimate Polish. No matter how much I work the paint, in the sun there are still very minor swirl marks. I am very new to machine polishing, and with the exception of a hyper blue WRX, all the cars I have ever done are white or silver so UC has always been enough.

    My question here.. Is there a beginner one step that may work here, or even a two step system other than the meguiars consumer range? Am I missing something as a beginner? I know the hardest combination is Soft paint and Black paint. I want to get it 95% there so I can ceramic coat the beast.

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    Re: Soft black paint for Noobs

    since you're planning ceramic coating, try this: CarPro Essence Xtreme Gloss Enhancer 250 ml

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    Mr Tommy's
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    Re: Soft black paint for Noobs

    Thanks. I don't think blackfire is easily accessible in Australia. Essence and sonax are. Any pad suggestions?

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    Re: Soft black paint for Noobs

    For essence, use a finishing pad. I use a MF finishing pad and it's incredible. Just did a black Tesla and it came out great! Just take your time and let both the pad and product work.

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    Re: Soft black paint for Noobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon TDS View Post
    For essence, use a finishing pad. I use a MF finishing pad and it's incredible. Just did a black Tesla and it came out great! Just take your time and let both the pad and product work.

    Sent from my Moto Z (2) using Tapatalk
    I was given a new bottle of D166. Would that do the job on a finishing or softer pad? Or even ultimate polish? I have noticed on some panels, mainly the side that did have sunlight, have very very light hazing. I'm waiting for Essence and some lake country pads to come into stock so I can order.

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    Re: Soft black paint for Noobs

    You'll always hear in this forum, do a test spot. If you already have them, try using them.

    I think it would work but you might lose some efficiency with a finishing pad because the d166 cleans and cuts while the essence fills.

    But hey it might just work!

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    Re: Soft black paint for Noobs

    Humm...Just thinking here.

    Copied from AGO store: "Meguiar's D166 Ultra Polishing Wax uses a durable blend of synthetic polymers, silicones, and carnauba wax to create a layer of protection and shine on painted surfaces".

    Couple things to consider.

    1. If you're going to coat, you'll gonna have to remove the polymers, silicones and carnuba wax before coating. This is working against yourself in terms of time and cost.

    2. In my experience---soft paint and Ultra fine polishes don't work all that well together. Better off to get a regular polish (more abrasives) and standard polishing pad to reduce haze. It's weird but fine polishes creates more haze on soft paint than regular polishes. One would think it'll be the other way around!

    Like the others say---do test spot using Ultra fine and another using regular polish and see what happens.

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    Re: Soft black paint for Noobs

    You might be over working the Ultimate Polish.

    Try going over it with one pass, wipe off, and inspect the section. If not satisfactory, clean the pad, and try two passes.

    Here is a tutorial on M205, the polish which Ultimate Polish is derived:

    Tips to acheive a flawless finish with M205 and a DA polisher

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    Re: Soft black paint for Noobs

    Or, switch to a different polish.

    Mike Phillips posted an article where he polished a 1996 Porsche with off paint.

    He used Wolfgang Finishing Glaze on Lake Country black SDO pads.

    Original BASECOAT/CLEARCOAT paint - 1996 Porsche 993

    I believe the Wolfgang product is similar to Menzerna SF3500.

    Menzerna is sort of my fail safe when finishing is a concern. I've had cars where no matter what I did, my M205 wasn't going to let me finish out how I wanted. In those situations, Menzerna PF2500 (with Lake Country Tangerine Hydrotech pads, or Blue Buff and Shine) delivered the results I was looking for. I reserve the SF3500 for show cars

    The difference is abrasive orientation. The Menzerna products utilize some very advanced diminishing abrasive technology, which in most circumstances allows for very deep finishing. The abrasives in M205 / Ultimate Polish do not diminish, which requires sometimes different techniques.

    I feel that the Menzerna polishes have delivered more consistent results on a wider variety of paints.

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