Battle of the medium polish technologies! Who's you pic?

[SWETM]

Has anyone done some side by side testing with Menzerna PF2500 and HC400?

I have scratched my head sometime what is the difference between them if only reading the cut and finishing ability from them.

PF2500 cut 5 and finish 7
HC400 cut 8 and finish 8

Is it so that HC400 gives too much cut on a light polishing pad vs PF2500 on a heavy cut polishing pad?
And also many really like the finishing ability from PF2500. But HC400 has a higher finishing ability going after the chart only.

I have the HC400 and the PF2200 but have not tested this out myself LOL. And there are more and more so called one step compounds that I would include HC400 in. That gives you a notch higher cut than medium cut polish and also finishing a notch higher than them. 3D HD One and maybe Pinnacle and Wolfgang and Blackfire Swirl Removers. Mostly know of a couple outside of what AGO sells. But think you know what I mean. A light cutting compound with great finishing ability too.

My thought is if these are used on a light polishing pad they would be finishing better than the medium cut polishes. But would it also be cutting too much? I mean with the little difference on the Menzerna scale with 1-3 on a 10 point scale. Is the cut so much more on a polishing or light polishing or even a finishing pad with HC400 vs PF2500?

[jdgamble]

I really like Opt Hyperpolish. I think it would fall into the medium category. Very easy to use, cuts well, finishes well, no dust.


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[fightnews]

Yeah, it can be smoother with Rupes pads (especially if you don't do the washer mod). I don't know that I'd call it quieter, it's a different pitch of sound but both are loud enough I'd always wear ear protection. I think the higher cost on the Rupes and the inferior warranty are not worth IMO, for me the G15 works perfectly fine. If you invest the money on the MKIII I hope you're happy with the purchase.

I did the washer mod on the G15. Does that cause the pads to stall more or less? One reason I don't like the g15 is that it stalls on even the slightest curve. I wonder if changing it back would be better?

I mostly use my Rupes Duetto and I have all the Rupes pads and polishes for it already. I don't like the griots pads either. The only way they work for me is If I put that stupid velcro spacer behind the pad. I don't like having to do that at all.

[fightnews]

Here’s my way of thinking:

•Benchmark
-A Standard; or point of reference; against
which things may be compared or assessed.


•As many of us can attest to...
-Within many industries there are such
(officially) designated benchmarks.


•However, as far as I know...
-benchmarks (designated as being official)
do not presently exist in/for the world of Detailing.

-Take “medium polishes” as an example.
Basically, IMO, what it boils down to is that
the level of cut can differ from manufacturer
to manufacturer—sometimes leading to where
a “medium polish” could/would actually be called
a (more aggressive) “cutting polish” by some
people within an immediate detailing circle.


•As to the above three polishes you listed:
-Once again, there is currently no (officially)
designated benchmark with which to
compare those particular products.



Bob

Yeah If we are just talking about the cut of the polish I usually go by what grit sanding marks it claims it can remove. That's how I figured out that the FC swirl remover is stronger then say Rupes medium cut polish.

[fightnews]

Jescar polishes are not the same formula as Menzerna, they’re better.


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Whoa whoa whoa there fella. Menzerna polishes are some of the best around. Are you sure they are better? I used their micro finish polish and I would not say it's better then Menzerna 3500

I really like Opt Hyperpolish. I think it would fall into the medium category. Very easy to use, cuts well, finishes well, no dust.


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I don't think I'm ready for a spray polish. It might make my head might explode lmaooo

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Whoa whoa whoa there fella. Menzerna polishes are some of the best around. Are you sure they are better? I used their micro finish polish and I would not say it's better then Menzerna 3500

Am I not allowed to have my own opinion? I did not say Menzerna are bad polishes. Jescar line are less oily, cut and finish just as good(or better).


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[mbkite]

What would you say about Pinical advanced swirl remover

[dlc95]

Just read this on Mckees product page.

"The abrasives gradually diminish as they work, giving you a built-in finishing polish"

I'm confused, It says on the bottle that it uses SMAT which doesn't diminish. It even says on the bottle that it doesn't diminish.

I also would really like to know if this is more aggressive then a typical medium polish or as aggressive IDK?

They also say on the bottle to only do a 12" by 12" square. Is that what you guys do?

They're probably using agglomerated abrasives.

These abrasives are "smat" grains clumped together to boost cut, and "diminish" in to primary grains, thus becoming a non-diminishing product.

Menzerna FG400, and I believe Rupes Zephir utilize this style of cutting abrasives.

[dlc95]

Medium cuts I mostly use are:

Menzerna PF2500 on LC Hydrotech (Porter Cable 7424xp / Flex 3401)
Rupes Quarz on Rupes Yellow foam (Duetto)
Rupes Keramik on Rupes Yellow microfiber.(Duetto)
M205 on Green Buff and Shine Pads (Porter Cable 7424xp / Flex 3401)

I can also use Megs M86, and M83 in those applocations.

[FUNX650]

Yeah If we are just talking
about the cut of the polish

I usually go by what grit sanding
marks it claims it can remove.

Aren’t those two features the same?


Bob