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    Re: Topping AIO’s with Sealant - Basic test

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    I recently polished with Menzerna, and then went to Blackfires new paint sealant. I put the sealant on with a black Lake Country foam pad. It wiped off very nicely and looked good. This is on my black Denali work truck that I had applied McKees paint coating on last year. I wasn't real impressed with the paint coating, both from an endurance standpoint and also resistance to spotting. The sealant seems to look better and be more resistant to spotting, both water spotting and from bird crap. It still is beading nice and washing easy. In my opinion, the paint color has a big effect on all this. My Denali is black, my personal truck is white, coated with Carpro. The difference in ease of maintenance isn't even comparable. There is never a water spot on the white truck. I coated my wife's car, which is gray, and it never shows any spots either. For me, the color will help me determine what process and what product I will be using.

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    Those defects just might be on the white & gray, but you can't detect them as easily.

    Like someone here once said: Black paint isn't just a color. It's a full-time job......

    That said, I'm not a fan of coatings. If they were truly maintenance-free afterward, maybe. But having to maintain the initially $$ product with more $$ products does not jibe with me. JMHO....
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    Re: Topping AIO’s with Sealant - Basic test

    Quote Originally Posted by joleyred View Post
    I recently polished with Menzerna, and then went to Blackfires new paint sealant. I put the sealant on with a black Lake Country foam pad. It wiped off very nicely and looked good. This is on my black Denali work truck that I had applied McKees paint coating on last year. I wasn't real impressed with the paint coating, both from an endurance standpoint and also resistance to spotting. The sealant seems to look better and be more resistant to spotting, both water spotting and from bird crap. It still is beading nice and washing easy. In my opinion, the paint color has a big effect on all this. My Denali is black, my personal truck is white, coated with Carpro. The difference in ease of maintenance isn't even comparable. There is never a water spot on the white truck. I coated my wife's car, which is gray, and it never shows any spots either. For me, the color will help me determine what process and what product I will be using.

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    Re: Topping AIO’s with Sealant - Basic test

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    Thanks for testing these Eldo! Only thing I noticed that may have caused an issue with HD Speed was how much product you used? Just curious, how many section passes did you use with each product?

    That hologram looking product haze that was left behind with HD Speed in your test is what I've experienced with D166. More recently, I had the same issue with Jescar AIO Polish & wax. I think it's the sealant in some AIO's that is being left behind because I've noticed right when I hit it with wolfgang uber it's easily removed. I used to think D166 was leaving behind a ton of micro marring because of the haze that wouldn't wipe off with a dry microfiber.

    That's a big part of why I prefer HD Speed & BF 1-step. For me, even though it's easy to use a quick detailer to inspect the finish, HD Speed has always been the least likely to leave behind any of that cloudy sealant residue.

    Is there a name for the haze AIO's can leave behind that doesn't get fully buffed off the paint with a dry microfiber towel? I feel like dlc95 probably knows the technical term for this phenomenon.
    Ha!

    Well, I refer to those types of things as "deposits". Where the matrix of all the components dries out, and adheres to the surface.

    Ultimate Polish, M205, and M105 seem to be the most common culprits in my experience. But I do most of my work with Megs..

    Also, I believe there was too much speed used on the pad.
    I thought they recommended like four drops of product on the onset. No?

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    Re: Topping AIO’s with Sealant - Basic test

    First thanks for doing this testing Eldo!

    You wrote that you think the sealant removed the AIO protection when applyied. Is that right? And if so what would be the benefit of useing an AIO?

    I'm always intrested in the thoughts about of useing the different steps. The thoughts I have about topping an AIO directly after polishing. Is if the topper carrier chemical would be desolveing the AIO protection or just the polishing oils. Then if it's not desolves the polishing oils which a water based topper may not do. You may have a smeared application on hand. I can see a benefit to use an AIO and after a couple of washes apply a sealant or wax. But apply a topper right afterwards I would think a panel wipe product could be a benefit to the topper bonding better than without any prep.

    So if I where to apply a more longlasting topper after polishing with an AIO or a polish. Why would I go with the AIO option?

    Don't get me wrong cause I see the benefit of useing an AIO in a pro detailer point of view and to a hobbyist too. But not to make an extra step with applying a protection that has more longevity than the AIO. I see an AIO as a polishing and done product.

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    Topping AIO’s with Sealant - Basic test

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    You wrote that you think the sealant removed the AIO protection when applyied. Is that right? And if so what would be the benefit of useing an AIO?


    So if I where to apply a more longlasting topper after polishing with an AIO or a polish. Why would I go with the AIO option?
    IMO the benefits are:

    1. The looks. It’s more than arguable these AIO’s look better the day of vs. polish alone.

    2. The filling instead of correcting. The way I see it this sort of product can fill the need for jobs where a customer wants their vehicle “waxed” aka we’re polishing their vehicle and making it look noticeably better + thanks to topping it with a long lasting sealant I’m providing them better value vs. the short lived AIO on its own which I wouldn’t even feel comfortable putting my stamp of approval on.

    3. The filling instead of correcting also means I can polish a customers vehicle repeatedly without having to reach the imaginary limit where I begin to put a limit on the times I allow myself to polish their paint in order to prevent removing to much of the clearcoat. If I’m doing more filling it’s actually a good thing for both parties. Repeat customers without worries in the back of my head.

    4. Ease of use. Some of these AIO’s not only wipe off easier, but they tend to leave the paint smoother too. Plus they can be left on for as long as you want without becoming a PITA to remove unlike a polish.

    IMO if the AIO plays nice with the topper the way D166 did in my case with the sealant than there’s definitely benefits to be had. Same could be said for any AIO that pairs up nice with the other types of lsp’s.

    I never thought I’d be on this side of the fence. Lol.

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    Re: Topping AIO’s with Sealant - Basic test

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    V1 or v2 of McKees?

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    Re: Topping AIO’s with Sealant - Basic test

    You very easily could be right on the defect visibility, also your statement about black is spot on. I like it when it's perfect, which never lasts long.
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulMys View Post
    Those defects just might be on the white & gray, but you can't detect them as easily.

    Like someone here once said: Black paint isn't just a color. It's a full-time job......

    That said, I'm not a fan of coatings. If they were truly maintenance-free afterward, maybe. But having to maintain the initially $$ product with more $$ products does not jibe with me. JMHO....
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    Re: Topping AIO’s with Sealant - Basic test

    Quote Originally Posted by Eldorado2k View Post
    IMO the benefits are:

    1. The looks. It’s more than arguable these AIO’s look better the day of vs. polish alone.

    2. The filling instead of correcting. The way I see it this sort of product can fill the need for jobs where a customer wants their vehicle “waxed” aka we’re polishing their vehicle and making it look noticeably better + thanks to topping it with a long lasting sealant I’m providing them better value vs. the short lived AIO on its own which I wouldn’t even feel comfortable putting my stamp of approval on.

    3. The filling instead of correcting also means I can polish a customers vehicle repeatedly without having to reach the imaginary limit where I begin to put a limit on the times I allow myself to polish their paint in order to prevent removing to much of the clearcoat. If I’m doing more filling it’s actually a good thing for both parties. Repeat customers without worries in the back of my head.

    4. Ease of use. Some of these AIO’s not only wipe off easier, but they tend to leave the paint smoother too. Plus they can be left on for as long as you want without becoming a PITA to remove unlike a polish.

    IMO if the AIO plays nice with the topper the way D166 did in my case with the sealant than there’s definitely benefits to be had. Same could be said for any AIO that pairs up nice with the other types of lsp’s.

    I never thought I’d be on this side of the fence. Lol.
    Do the sealant seal in the filling the AIO has till it's done?
    And do you get the same longevity from the topped sealant as with a sealant applyied on bare paint?
    Do you have any done cars coming back and about how long does it takes or do you have a regualar maintance schedule with customer?
    Lets say that you use an AIO and compare it to the polish of the same brand. You use the same pads. Does the polish abrade so much more clearcoat that in the longrun you came to the point where it's not longer safe to polish/remove more clearcoat? Cause the d166 seems to have a good cut to be an AIO.

    And this is just for me to get experience from you. And not trying to convince you to change your mind.

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    Re: Topping AIO’s with Sealant - Basic test

    ^^Interested in these questions

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    Re: Topping AIO’s with Sealant - Basic test

    Quote Originally Posted by SWETM View Post
    Do the sealant seal in the filling the AIO has till it's done?
    And do you get the same longevity from the topped sealant as with a sealant applyied on bare paint?
    Do you have any done cars coming back and about how long does it takes or do you have a regualar maintance schedule with customer?
    Lets say that you use an AIO and compare it to the polish of the same brand. You use the same pads. Does the polish abrade so much more clearcoat that in the longrun you came to the point where it's not longer safe to polish/remove more clearcoat? Cause the d166 seems to have a good cut to be an AIO.

    And this is just for me to get experience from you. And not trying to convince you to change your mind.
    I’m not the best person to ask. I don’t normally use AIO’s on that frequent basis to have the definitive answers yet. But I’ll go out on a limb and say that I’m pretty sure the sealant will last just as long no problem. Because I have little to no doubt it removed anything resembling an AIO during the quik application/removal. I could literally feel it, and the paints uniform look, feel, and water behavior shows it, barring any sudden changes which would be the biggest surprise of all, and I don’t see how that could happen. But if it does I’ll be sure to update.

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