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    Flex 3401 vs. Rupes Mille/Makita P5000C, for those that are wondering.

    When you get the pad on paint and move the polisher, it will stall with any tilt to the paint, even on speed 5. Random orbit mode is absolutely worthless, IMO


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    Re: Flex 3401 vs. Rupes Mille/Makita P5000C, for those that are wondering.

    ScottM;

    Have you tried this by looking directly at the pad, perhaps marking the backing plate?

    Reason I ask, is that on a video, the pad does appear to rotate counter-clockwise first, then stops at speed 4 (slight clockwise rotation), and then clockwise at speeds after that. But this may nor be the "real world" rotation, just what is seen in the video. I am wondering if it isn't the same effect as in the old western movies, where the stagecoach wheels rotated forward, then seemed to stand still, then backwards, and then forwards again. This is caused by the speed of rotation of the wagon wheels and the spoke pattern of the wagon wheels vs. the frame rate of the movie camera. I am wondering if this is what is happening here, but the rotation of that backing plate/pad and hole pattern of the pad's edge vs. the frame rate of the video camera (some sort of smartphone. I would think). The pad should only be rotating in one direction by the mechanical design of the polisher; if the orbits are only going in one direction, then the rotation should only be going in one direction, too. Putting a marker of some sort may help to show if this is the case, or if the pad is actually reversing its rotation.

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    Re: Flex 3401 vs. Rupes Mille/Makita P5000C, for those that are wondering.

    Quote Originally Posted by WRAPT C5Z06 View Post
    When you get the pad on paint and move the polisher, it will stall with any tilt to the paint, even on speed 5. Random orbit mode is absolutely worthless, IMO


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    Re: Flex 3401 vs. Rupes Mille/Makita P5000C, for those that are wondering.

    Quote Originally Posted by kkritsilas View Post
    ScottM;

    Have you tried this by looking directly at the pad, perhaps marking the backing plate?

    Reason I ask, is that on a video, the pad does appear to rotate counter-clockwise first, then stops at speed 4 (slight clockwise rotation), and then clockwise at speeds after that. But this may nor be the "real world" rotation, just what is seen in the video. I am wondering if it isn't the same effect as in the old western movies, where the stagecoach wheels rotated forward, then seemed to stand still, then backwards, and then forwards again. This is caused by the speed of rotation of the wagon wheels and the spoke pattern of the wagon wheels vs. the frame rate of the movie camera. I am wondering if this is what is happening here, but the rotation of that backing plate/pad and hole pattern of the pad's edge vs. the frame rate of the video camera (some sort of smartphone. I would think). The pad should only be rotating in one direction by the mechanical design of the polisher; if the orbits are only going in one direction, then the rotation should only be going in one direction, too. Putting a marker of some sort may help to show if this is the case, or if the pad is actually reversing its rotation.
    Yes in fact I did a subsequent test with a piece of blue painters tape on the pad. I didn't want to mark the backing plate with a Sharpie (yet) and I am 100% sure the pad changed direction, starting counterclockwise and then clockwise. Good question.

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    Re: Flex 3401 vs. Rupes Mille/Makita P5000C, for those that are wondering.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottH View Post
    Yes in fact I did a subsequent test with a piece of blue painters tape on the pad. I didn't want to mark the backing plate with a Sharpie (yet) and I am 100% sure the pad changed direction, starting counterclockwise and then clockwise. Good question.

    ScottH
    Here is that second test video...are my eyes deceiving me?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhG8O1tnWcU

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    Re: Flex 3401 vs. Rupes Mille/Makita P5000C, for those that are wondering.

    Quote Originally Posted by VISITOR View Post
    should i start the 1st bid?

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    Re: Flex 3401 vs. Rupes Mille/Makita P5000C, for those that are wondering.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottH View Post
    Here is that second test video...are my eyes deceiving me?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhG8O1tnWcU

    ScottH
    I just did the same test. If you lift the tool in the air, it spins counterclowise on ALL speeds. When I put the polisher to the paint, it spun counterclowise on speeds 1 & 2, and spun clockwise on speeds 3-5. Looks as though there needs to be enough friction to spin it clockwise. It's very disappointing that random orbit mode bogs so easily because it's super smooth!

    Forced rotation mode is beastly, though!
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    Re: Flex 3401 vs. Rupes Mille/Makita P5000C, for those that are wondering.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottH View Post
    Dear Forum Members,

    Here is a video of the Makita 5000C in free spin mode with a LC CCS pad on it. You will notice:

    (1) with no load/pressure other than the polisher's own weight, speeds 1 and 2 have very slow rotation.
    (2) in speed 3, the pads seems to orbit and not rotate
    (3) in speed 4, the pad rotates but not nearly as fast as I would have expected and would make correction a time consuming process.
    (4) in speed 5, the pad rotates with enough speed to do correction
    (5) (pad direction) the backing plate spins in counterclockwise direction with no load, and in speeds 1 and 2. In speed 3 it seems to stall out and then in speeds 4 and 5 it spins in clockwise direction. When the pad is picked up from the surface, it spins in counterclockwise direction again. I've never seen this behavior before. FYI: In gear driven mode it spins in counterclockwise direction in all speeds.

    I will share this email with Tony from Makita too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT_2sR3jVUs

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    Confusing ?????
    Mine will be here today if it does the same ...Ebay tomorrow and back to drawing board.

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    Re: Flex 3401 vs. Rupes Mille/Makita P5000C, for those that are wondering.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrken1 View Post
    Confusing ?????
    Mine will be here today if it does the same ...Ebay tomorrow and back to drawing board.
    Mine does the same and yours will, too.
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    Re: Flex 3401 vs. Rupes Mille/Makita P5000C, for those that are wondering.

    Quote Originally Posted by WRAPT C5Z06 View Post
    Mine does the same and yours will, too.


    Take off Fed X shipping label ....take pic for ebay...then UPS Label

    Seriously think of canceling my direct drive ...........

    Have that and my Harbor Frieght with 5/6 " Backing plates and my clone mini....

    Again I got caught up in the hype

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