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    P21s/Maguiar’s Ultimate Wax

    I have a 2011 Arctic White Corvette that has been very well maintained (and garaged) over the years. Bought the car this past February with just over 8,000 mi. Can’t speak to what was used in the past - car now has about 3 coats of Meguiar’s Ultimate Liquid was on it. Recently I have thinking about “claying” the car but to be honest, at this point, I don’t feel it’s necessary.
    I like the Meguiar’s but miss the depth of a natural wax. Years ago I used P21s wax and cleaner on a torch red ‘Vette and was pleased with the results.I realize the carnauba is not as durable as a synthetic wax and will need to be applied more often. That said, will I get the same “finish” from the P21s?
    Thanks!

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    Re: P21s/Maguiar’s Ultimate Wax

    P21s has a shiny, bright finish from what I remember (for a wax). But probably deeper, warmer still than Megs ULW I would think (full disclosure I haven’t used ULW much but have used M21 a lot and I believe they are siblings of each other with the candy coated look).

    For a garage queen the P21s should last long enough. But if you aren’t going to clay anyways, why not apply P21s on top of ULW and see what you think. Probably better protection, durability and a warmer look.

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    Re: P21s/Maguiar’s Ultimate Wax

    IMO:
    -While both of these products are well-suited
    for garage queens, I am going to suggest the
    below as another “means to an end”.

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    1.) After washing the vehicle—using your favorite
    method(s)—[mine are RWs/WWs]...
    2.) Perform “The Baggie Test” to see if Claying
    is required, or not.

    After that ‘Clay, or not,’ step is deemed completed:

    3.) Next on the list is an application of
    Finish Kare 303 Foam Pad Glaze.

    4.) Follow up with an application of Finish Kare
    1000P Hi-Temp (synthetic) Paste Wax—[now
    renamed/ known as: Finish Kare BWM 101
    Hi-Temp Paste Wax].

    5.) Enjoy the fruits of your labor.

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    •By using a maintenance product that doesn’t
    interfere with FK-1000P’s/FK-BWM101’s innate
    characteristics, the above overall process should
    last for at least a couple years on most people’s
    garage queens.
    -FWIW: Using Meguiar’s D114 as the maintenance
    product...It’s lasted longer than that on mine!


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    Re: P21s/Maguiar’s Ultimate Wax

    First - since this is your first post to the forum,

    Welcome to AutogeekOnline!



    Quote Originally Posted by Javaman12 View Post

    I have a 2011 Arctic White Corvette that has been very well maintained (and garaged) over the years. Bought the car this past February with just over 8,000 mi. Can’t speak to what was used in the past - car now has about 3 coats of Meguiar’s Ultimate Liquid was on it.
    The Meguiar's Ultimate line is very good.



    Quote Originally Posted by Javaman12 View Post

    Recently I have thinking about “claying” the car but to be honest, at this point, I don’t feel it’s necessary.
    My guess is without ever seeing the car, after 9+ years - well my guess is the car will fail the Baggie Test. I RARELY come across a car that passes the Baggie Test. And the two most common places cars get overspray paint are body shops, (where they spray paint), and a Car Guy's Garage - because car guys tend to use Rattle Cans and never cover their car. Just saying...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Javaman12 View Post

    I like the Meguiar’s but miss the depth of a natural wax. Years ago I used P21s wax and cleaner on a torch red ‘Vette and was pleased with the results.

    I realize the carnauba is not as durable as a synthetic wax and will need to be applied more often.

    That said, will I get the same “finish” from the P21s?
    Thanks!

    Nothing against P21S but last I checked it's a traditional Carnauba Wax. Meguiar's Ultimate Wax on the other hand is going to be a "blended wax". This means the chemist will include a blend of ingredients to bring out all the best appearances features of urethane paint plus add protection.

    That said, if you did the proper prep work to a white car and then used both products - you probably couldn't tell the difference as that is the downside of white paint. You do not get the deep dark reflections like you get with dark colors. Normally what I aim for is to maximize gloss and the way you maximize gloss is by having a smooth surface. A smooth surface starts with smooth paint and if paint fails the baggie test then it will not be as glossy as possible.


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    Re: P21s/Maguiar’s Ultimate Wax

    Bob, do you know what BWM stands for?

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    Re: P21s/Maguiar’s Ultimate Wax

    Quote Originally Posted by Rsurfer View Post
    Bob, do you know what BWM stands for?
    Yes I do.

    Finish Kare has a particular line-up that
    consists of three specific products that
    they call, on the whole:
    “The Big White Marine System”.


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    Re: P21s/Maguiar’s Ultimate Wax

    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX650 View Post
    Yes I do.

    Finish Kare has a particular line-up that
    consists of three specific products that
    they call, on the whole:
    “The Big White Marine System”.


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    Re: P21s/Maguiar’s Ultimate Wax

    Quote Originally Posted by FUNX650 View Post
    Yes I do.

    Finish Kare has a particular line-up that
    consists of three specific products that
    they call, on the whole:
    “The Big White Marine System”.


    Bob
    Thank God they didn't go with Lavender instead of white.

    The acronym would create quite the confusion in 2020...............
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    Re: P21s/Maguiar’s Ultimate Wax

    I have and used both. But I have to agree with Bob, FinishKare is a very good product. Not knocking Meguairs Ultimate line. But we have 2 white cars and after the FinishKare cures for a couple of days it looks like a glass finish.

    M21/Ultimate does pretty good too, but I don't think it leave as nice as a finish. But either one and you can't go wrong. And besides, you can always top one of them with the PS21.

    But if it's gonna see the inside of the garage more then the outside, PS21 will be fine.

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    Re: P21s/Maguiar’s Ultimate Wax

    Thanks all - appreciate the feedback!

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