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    Restore original SCREAMING PHOENIX on 1979 Pontiac Trans Am - Original Paint

    Restore original SCREAMING PHOENIX on 1979 Pontiac Trans Am - Original Paint



    Hi Mike!

    I've been asked to give some life to the paint on a '79 Trans Am (all original 44k miles) silver metallic.

    My plan is to use your rub down technique with #7 then carnauba and not do any machine polishing to the single stage.

    What about all that vinyl though?!

    Screamin' Phoenix and pin stripes oh my!

    I'll take all of your suggestions and tips...

    Thanks in advance!

    Robyn




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    Re: Vinyl/stickers polishing

    Here's the pic from the owner.






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    Re: Restore original SCREAMING PHOENIX on 1979 Pontiac Trans Am - Original Paint

    Quote Originally Posted by rpms111

    Hi Mike!

    I've been asked to give some life to the paint on a '79 Trans Am (all original 44k miles) silver metallic.

    My plan is to use your rub down technique with #7 then carnauba and not do any machine polishing to the single stage.

    That's a good plan. Restoring METALLIC single stage paint is in my opinion one of the MOST difficult types of paint to restore.

    Why?

    Because as you're rubbing on the paint you're also rubbing on ALUMINUM particles and just like aluminum oxidizes on a wheel it also oxidizes IN the paint.

    This is why when you rub over old school single stage metallic paint, no matter what the color - the cloth is going to turn black due to the oxidation coming off of the aluminum.

    And if you machine buff single stage metallic paint - you have to be very careful or you'll put patterns into the paint that will reflect the way the polisher was moved over the paint due to you're buffing on the aluminum particles or flakes and this tends to alter how they appear "in" the paint.

    Tricky job. Take your time, work careful.






    I show pictures of this in my original article on restoring single stage paint here,

    The Secret to Removing Oxidation and Restoring a Show Car Finish to Antique Single Stage Paints



    Single Stage Metallic Paint = Difficult to Restore

    Single stage, non-metallic paints like the above paint on the Ranchero are actually very easy to fix because the problem is for the most part just topical, that is the problem is just on the surface. All you have to do is remove the dead paint off the surface and if there's enough paint left then it's just a matter of polishing what's left to a high gloss. The most difficult paints to restore are single stage metallic paints.

    The reason single stage metallic paints are the most difficult to restore is because not only does the paint itself oxidize, that is the resin used as the binder, (generally some type of seed oil like Flaxseed oil or Cottonseed oil), but also the aluminum flakes embodied inside the paint oxidize. This is where the problem lies.

    It's a problem because the entire exterior surface of each individual aluminum flake oxidizes over time but you and I can only work on the surface of the paint and thus we can only work on the portion of the flake that is exposed at the surface level. Any portion of each aluminum flake that is below the surface and is surrounded by paint cannot be cleaned or polished so there's no way to remove the oxidation on the portions of the flakes inside the paint.

    Oxidized Aluminum Turns Black

    With metallic single stage paints, oxidation can show up as a darkening effect on medium to light colored paints because the aluminum metal flakes embodied inside the paint will stain or discolor the paint with a grayish black color.



    If you’ve ever polished uncoated aluminum then you’ve seen this grayish black color coming off the aluminum and onto your polishing cloth as you work a metal polish over it. This same type of oxidation is taking place to the aluminum flake inside the paint.


    Polishing Un-coated Aluminum







    Oxidized Aluminum Comes Off Black



    In the same way you see the black residue coming off the aluminum wheel onto the piece of white cotton terry cloth material above, when working on metallic single stage paints you will see black residue coming off the paint and onto you applicator pads, buffing pads and wiping towels.



    In the same way you see the cloth turn black after rubbing a metal polish on aluminum, you'll see your towels turn black when rubbing on single stage metallic paint - it's normal.

    From the same article I linked to above.



    After approximately 12 hours of soaking in #7 Show Car Glaze, we're ready to wipe off the first application off this 37-year old paint.





    Look at the paint surrounding the towel...
    In the picture below, note how after just one well-worked application of #7 the finish is now more smooth and clear and the color is more vibrant and even.




    Look at the color of the residue coming off the paint and onto the white terry cloth towel; it's black. The single stage paint is butterscotch gold.

    Question: Where's the blackness coming from?
    Answer: The aluminum flake.


    One of the benefits that we enjoy when car manufacturers switched over to basecoat/clearcoat paint technology is there's a clear layer of paint covering over the color coat of paint and this seals the paint and keeps it from oxidizing and deteriorating. This enables metallic finishes to last for a long time without oxidizing and this is why you no longer see any black residue coming off modern metallic finishes.


    My recommendation

    If you can swing it, that is if you have the time to place an order, then get these towels from Griot's. They work like terrycloth but are a lot less scratchy.


    From this how-to article,

    Original Single Stage - 1937 Packard - The Number #7 Rub Down Technique


    Switching over to the Griot's Garage PFM Wax Removal Towels

    Here you can see the cotton terrycloth I used for the first application of #7 and then I went over the car a second time, (without removing the first application, I left it on and rubbed right over it), only I remembered I had the Griot's Garage PFM Wax Removal Towels and because they are higher in quality than cotton, I switched over to them for both the second rub-down and the next day to remove the #7.









    On Autogeek.com


    I'd suggest getting 2- 3 of the 4 packs of the Griot's Garage PFM Wax Removal Towels. You'll only need one towel to apply the #7 but you could easily use the others to make wiping off the #7 easy on you and easy on the paint.

    Griot's Garage PFM Wax Removal Towel - 4-pack

    You can also use these towels down the road to remove compounds, polishes and waxes.


    And for everyone that will read this into the future, if your ever blessed to get to restore someone's car with the original antique single stage paint, here's the link to get Meguiar's #7


    Meguiar's Mirror Glaze #7 Show Car Glaze


    And here's a technique tip when it comes to REMOVING the #7


    Technique Tip

    If you find it difficult to wipe-off the #7 now that it has been sitting on the car for hours, here's how to make it easy to wipe it off.

    Like dissolves like

    Simply re-activate the layer of # on the car by re-applying some more in the same manner you applied it the first time. The #7 will liquefy itself and then wipe the entire mess off while it's still wet on the surface. This also acts to push even more of the #7 TS Oils into the paint.





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    Re: Restore original SCREAMING PHOENIX on 1979 Pontiac Trans Am - Original Paint

    Quote Originally Posted by rpms111 View Post

    What about all that vinyl though?!

    Screamin' Phoenix and pin stripes oh my!

    I'll take all of your suggestions and tips...

    Thanks in advance!

    Robyn

    Buffing out the vinyl graphics is actually really easy - the thing you want to do is just use a very NON aggressive approach. This means, use a very soft foam finishing pad and an ultra fine cut polish if you have one.

    You can probably get away with a fine cut polish too, just make sure you trust the abrasive technology. If the polish works GREAT on all black paints, then it will be safe for the Screaming Phoenix graphics.


    I would also highly recommend using a FREE SPINNING random orbital polish versus a gear-driven random orbital polisher simply because they are LESS AGGRESSIVE. True that.


    And of course, use a light touch. The BLACKFIRE One Step would also be an option instead of a dedicated polish plus you'll leave the graphics protected and shiny.

    Avoid buffing too hard on the tips of the feathers. Once graphic tips start to lift? It's game-over. You'll never get them to lay down flat and stick to the paint again.

    My favorite tool for buffing out vinyl graphics would be the RUPES BigFoot 21 but any free spinning tool will work. Even the PiXie in 12mm mode with a soft foam finishing pad.




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    Re: Restore original SCREAMING PHOENIX on 1979 Pontiac Trans Am - Original Paint

    One more, this took me HOURS to restore without screwing up any of the TIPS on the Screaming Pheonix and this is the ORIGINAL vinyl graphic on a 1978 Trans Am.

    I used a RUPES BigFoot 21 with the RUPES 7" white foam finishing pad and RUPES Diamond White Polish on the graphic itself. For the single stage black paint surrounding the graphic I remember using the RUPES green foam cutting pad and RUPES Zephyr Gloss Compound.

    BEFORE




    AFTER





    Found these pictures and info here,

    PADS: Is there really a discernible difference between Rupes WHITE and YELLOW finishing ability?


    Not only was the paint oxidized on this original 1978 Trans Am but the original Screaming Phoenix vinyl graphic was dull, stained and lifeless.

    I carefully machine polished all of the paint around the edges of the graphic using a green RUPES pad on edge like I share in my how to book and then machine polished the entire car and the graphics with the white RUPES pad and White Diamond Ultra Soft Foam pads on the BigFoot 21.




    Look how dark black the original single stage paint is and how vibrant the Screaming Phoenix is in this after pictures...




    I think you can get superb results stopping at the yellow pad but for dark colors, smooth glossy vinyl graphics and show car work I'd finish out with white/white.


    This is the Trans-Am on the original RUPES how-to book I wrote.




    Hope that helps...

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