Can you apply Collinite TOO thin?

[Don M]

I used Ult Comp on my paint last week and topped it with Collinite Insulator Wax. Today I washed the car and there was almost no beading on the surfaces. When I put the Collinite on the pad, I literally used DROPS and I could see the haze on the paint, but then it would disappear without me doing anything to wipe it off. I was using a PC/Speed 3/ and a Megs thin 5" polishing pad to apply the wax and a regular microfiber to remove the haze.

When I was done, the whole car felt slick and when it rained the next few days, the water beaded nicely, but now nothing.

Any ideas?

[GSKR]

Collinite not working well with compound residual,or maybe the pad app was contaminated with prior product.

[Corey@OptimalDetailing]

Collinite not working well with compound residual,or maybe the pad app was contaminated with prior product.

This.

Or, what soap did you use to wash the vehicle? Does it have any "gloss enhancing agents" or "wax" additives? If so, this could interfere with Collonites beading and sheeting properties.

[FUNX650]

After washing the vehicle...no water beading...
just one week from #845's initial application?

More than likely it's the car-wash product's
surfactant residues that are at fault.


Bob

[Loach]

When you go over the paint with some soap and your wash media, are you noticing any of this type of behavior on the surface shown through the soap?

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Looks like jagged markings across the paint panel. Let me know if you're noticing it on your next wash, then try and apply another coat of 845 to the paint or a test spot and see if you get more than one week of strong beading out of it this time.

[The Guz]

Any reason why you are using a polishing pad instead of a finishing pad to apply it?

[GSKR]

Any reason why you are using a polishing pad instead of a finishing pad to apply it?Thought the same,but he had it on speed 3 which will cover the panels with product.

[GSKR]

I used Ult Comp on my paint last week and topped it with Collinite Insulator Wax. Today I washed the car and there was almost no beading on the surfaces. When I put the Collinite on the pad, I literally used DROPS and I could see the haze on the paint, but then it would disappear without me doing anything to wipe it off. I was using a PC/Speed 3/ and a Megs thin 5" polishing pad to apply the wax and a regular microfiber to remove the haze.

When I was done, the whole car felt slick and when it rained the next few days, the water beaded nicely, but now nothing.

Any ideas?Did you shake before using.you mentioned drops I'm thinking you may have got a bottle with oil sitting on top and not the actual product.was it liquid when you applied to pad.

[TTQ B4U]

I could see the haze on the paint, but then it would disappear without me doing anything to wipe it off. Any ideas?


I'm thinking you may have got a bottle with oil sitting on top and not the actual product.was it liquid when you applied to pad.

GSKR is likely spot-on. Collinite is a funny product in that you have to shake it up well and depending on the tempeture you may have to warm it up in a bowl of hot water. I've seen it thin like squeezable butter and thick like mayo.

[Calendyr]

There is a thread explaining how to use Collinite products on the forum... something like How to use this legendary wax or something like that.

Recap goes like this:

Shake well, put the bottle in hot water for a few minutes so that the wax becomes liquid, apply very thin layer.

Only issue I have had with this product in the past is that Under certain situations, dust seems to stick to it like glue. In terms of durability, never had a bad issue.

[Priyaka]

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/40243-collinite-845-definitive-how-guide-legendary-wax.html

[Don M]

I use a polishing pad because the LC finishing pads I had would "collapse" when they were used with a wax, the Megs polishing pads stayed firm, never showed signs of collapsing and really applied the product evenly and thinly.

It was a fresh, straight out of the wrapper pad.

It was cold and thick when I got it out of the garage, so I boiled some water, let it soak until it was literally "watery" then shook it like a hula dancer's hips ... several times and during application.

I'm ashamed to admit, but I am out of car washing soap and used a small amount of Dawn.

LOACH there was nothing like that on the car when going over it with the wash mitt.

Next time I wax the car, I will probably use Megs Cleaner Wax (A-12) as a 'base' for the Collinite. Thoughts?

[GSKR]

Just clay it then top it with collinite.you mentioned you used compound on it so there is no need for a base.even though it says to warm it up,try not doing that.Ive never had to warm it up even on winter days in ny.or get some kind of tool to pull it out of bottle.

[Setec Astronomy]

As FUNX noted, it may be the Dawn that killed your beading. There's a few threads (and one primary one) about how some soaps/washes/detergents leave surfactants on the surface to modify the beading properties and appear to remove LSP.

In the case of Dawn it's so you don't get water spots on your dishes/glasses. I also once bought some cheap car wash years ago that was on sale near the registers at Pep Boys that said "no water spotting!" and killed my beading so bad I rewaxed the car like you're about to do--it was only later that I realized what had happened. I use that wash for the siding on my house now.

However, I have never done a "WOWA" application of 845 like you described; I would personally apply it a little heavier.

[Don M]

As FUNX noted, it may be the Dawn that killed your beading. There's a few threads (and one primary one) about how some soaps/washes/detergents leave surfactants on the surface to modify the beading properties and appear to remove LSP.

In the case of Dawn it's so you don't get water spots on your dishes/glasses. I also once bought some cheap car wash years ago that was on sale near the registers at Pep Boys that said "no water spotting!" and killed my beading so bad I rewaxed the car like you're about to do--it was only later that I realized what had happened. I use that wash for the siding on my house now.

However, I have never done a "WOWA" application of 845 like you described; I would personally apply it a little heavier.

I wasn't TRYING for a WOWA type application, it just happened that over most of the car it just turned out that way. If anything I was curious about just how thin I could apply it. I'll check again after I get some REAL car wash soap how the Collinite beads, unless I wax it again today (which I might, it's GORGEOUS outside).

I only heated the Collinite up as much as I did, because it was between jello and silly putty in viscosity and I knew I would never get "thin" by scraping it out of the bottle and applying it with a knife.