Griots Garage glass polish issues.

[choijw2]

Recently I asked about my Griots glass polish problem. (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-mike-phillips-your-detailing-questions/97722-griots-glass-polish-problem.html)

and thanks to Mike and Bill, I got Griots Garage Fine glass polish to try it, so I decided to try it griots glass polish system again on my 2012 mazdaspeed3.

I chose rear quarter panel window, because I was too afraid to do this on windshield or any other main area.

Used griots 3" polisher at speed setting 4

This is before polish, glass has been cleaned and clayed with griots glass clay bar.

http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y345/rvadetail/IMG_1355_zpsewmkjaiz.jpg (http://s1028.photobucket.com/user/rvadetail/media/IMG_1355_zpsewmkjaiz.jpg.html)


First, I used Griots glass polish with griots glass polishing pad.
I sprayed little bit of water and used 2 small pea size of polish.
http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y345/rvadetail/11063_zps8lcft4fk.jpeg (http://s1028.photobucket.com/user/rvadetail/media/11063_zps8lcft4fk.jpeg.html)

http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y345/rvadetail/IMG_1356_zpsr0atevmm.jpg (http://s1028.photobucket.com/user/rvadetail/media/IMG_1356_zpsr0atevmm.jpg.html)

and just like previous time, it added swirls.
http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y345/rvadetail/IMG_1357_zpswlnxlcfw.jpg (http://s1028.photobucket.com/user/rvadetail/media/IMG_1357_zpswlnxlcfw.jpg.html)


Now Trying out Griots Fine glass polish with Orange pad I received to try out thanks to Bill!
http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y345/rvadetail/IMG_1358_zpsdnjazbsn.jpg (http://s1028.photobucket.com/user/rvadetail/media/IMG_1358_zpsdnjazbsn.jpg.html)



This is After Fine glass polish with orange pad...Sadly.... this did not remove swirls added by glass polish with + polishing pad.
Pretty much same result.

http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y345/rvadetail/IMG_1359_zpsxxbcqsu9.jpg (http://s1028.photobucket.com/user/rvadetail/media/IMG_1359_zpsxxbcqsu9.jpg.html)


When I received free griots garage fine glass polish, I made promise to test it out and share it with you guys so here I am.

Anyone having same issues with this?
or am I doing something wrong?

[AGOatemywallet]

This can result from not using enough water during polishing

You have to keep these glass polishes wet, when using Rayon pads so that the polish does not clump up into larger chunks and damage the glass


I have only used the CarPro Rayon pads with CeriGlass Polish


In my opinion, unless you have light scratches caused by wiper blades...glass polishing is often not worth the time, effort, dollars and potential damage

Glad you followed the advice to not start with the windshield

[Audios S6]

I know others have had issues with perfection from the griots system (I think it was Swanic or Klasse). I think the pads were the suspected cause. Since you did switch pads, perhaps you didn't cut enough with the fine polish? Maybe try the fine polish with the glass cutting pads?

If you still have no luck,, consider the car pro system maybe?

[choijw2]

This can result from not using enough water during polishing

You have to keep these glass polishes wet, when using Rayon pads so that the polish does not clump up into larger chunks and damage the glass


I have only used the CarPro Rayon pads with CeriGlass Polish


In my opinion, unless you have light scratches caused by wiper blades...glass polishing is often not worth the time, effort, dollars and potential damage

Glad you followed the advice to not start with the windshield

I polished with slightly damped pads but next time I will try it with more waters

But when I watched griots video, it didnt show any part of using water, but maybe that was bad video :/

maybe i will update tomorrow after re-polishing

[alfadub]

If I remember correctly, someone posted a how-to where they recommended priming the whole pad with polish before starting.

[Dannyk]

I am by no means an expert, but like previously mentioned, keeping the surface wet/moist at all times and how you apply pressure with the speed is some of the key components.
I did practice on different methods on sample glass from a junk yard to get the hang of it prior to using on mine or customers.
Personally i prefer using a rotary over a random orbital on glass.

[GSKR]

Is glass polishing to remove water spots,I never used glass polishing with a machine nor by hand what's the purpose of doing all that work.

[Setec Astronomy]

I know others have had issues with perfection from the griots system (I think it was Swanic or Klasse). I think the pads were the suspected cause.

I think a number of us decided that the Lake Country pads (the ones that are white on both sides) seem to not give as good results as the CarPro (which have red Velcro) or the Griot's (at least the newer Griot's with the black backing).

Guys, if we were polishing paint and the OP got the results he did with a rocks in a bottle compound, we would tell him he didn't break down the compound enough, or that he skipped to too fine a polish and therefore couldn't remove the compound marring--couldn't that be what's going on here?

I still like the idea of the sanding method, which takes some of these variables out, although it seems to me someone posted about this recently and had the same problem with the sanding method.

I know this doesn't help anything/body but taking a long view on this it seems like as a community there is just not enough of a knowledge base about glass polishing and too few products/techniques tried vs. the different glass and problems (I have noticed that the Asian cars seem to have really soft glass--at least the windshields--that easily get ice scraper marring and wiper trails).

What I mean by that is this sounds like a paint polishing discussion from 10 years ago, maybe 10 years from now we'll (as a group) have the glass polishing licked.

[choijw2]

I am by no means an expert, but like previously mentioned, keeping the surface wet/moist at all times and how you apply pressure with the speed is some of the key components.
I did practice on different methods on sample glass from a junk yard to get the hang of it prior to using on mine or customers.
Personally i prefer using a rotary over a random orbital on glass.

that is my next plan, with spray bottle next to me haha

and I agree on rotary and actually i posted thread for recommendation on rotary and will be getting PE-14 whenever I could :D


Is glass polishing to remove water spots,I never used glass polishing with a machine nor by hand what's the purpose of doing all that work.

same reason we polish paint,
to remove water spots and minor defects. :buffing:

[choijw2]

Guys, if we were polishing paint and the OP got the results he did with a rocks in a bottle compound, we would tell him he didn't break down the compound enough, or that he skipped to too fine a polish and therefore couldn't remove the compound marring--couldn't that be what's going on here?

well that is why Im here, to find out if I did something wrong, but since griots have only "Glass polish" and "Fine glass polish"
so it cant be from skipping a step.

and with fine glass polish, I def broke down the compound enough, but with glass polish, I couldn't really tell if it broke down completely or not.

I did about 5 passes with it FYI




I know this doesn't help anything/body but taking a long view on this it seems like as a community there is just not enough of a knowledge base about glass polishing and too few products/techniques tried vs. the different glass and problems (I have noticed that the Asian cars seem to have really soft glass--at least the windshields--that easily get ice scraper marring and wiper trails).

What I mean by that is this sounds like a paint polishing discussion from 10 years ago, maybe 10 years from now we'll (as a group) have the glass polishing licked.

I totally agree with you on this,
I think we are lacking a lot of information on polishing glass and products...

[swanicyouth]

Maybe I missed it, but it's hard to tell what white pad is being used in the first step. I'm guessing it's Griot's or LC glass pad? In the second step - it looks like your using a foam cutting pad (paint). If I don't have this right - just ignore the following info.

I never have used the Griot's glass pads. But, the LC glass pads are horrible IMHO/IME. They seem to constantly make glass worse based on my own experience and years of reading detailing forums. So, either a lot of people are using them wrong (the come with no directions and LC makes no glass polish), or they just are not a good product. Someone is making glass pads for Griot's - it could be LC.


On the other hand, the CarPro glass pads are pretty magical. They have been consistently proven to work well with Ceriglass polish - they can fix the DAMAGE inflicted by the LC pads. I would highly recommend using this system.

Another point, foam pads of any sort are not aggressive enough to remove defects in glass. They can clean and decon glass with various polishes - but won't correct micro-marring left from previous polishing steps or defects in general.

Also, I don't believe a 3" Griot's polisher has the "balls" to fix defects in glass. The GG6 does. Actually, even with a GG6 your going to want to run it wide open with a lot of downward pressure. The GG6 with the CarPro stuff is the winning combo for most glass correction IME / IMHO.

[Setec Astronomy]

Swanic, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't your famous glass polishing thread on the back window of your Pathfinder using an orange pad? Rather than the CarPro glass pads?

I seem to remember you being the champion of DA/foam for glass polishing rather than the rotary/glass disc method that many felt was required.

[swanicyouth]

Swanic, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't your famous glass polishing thread on the back window of your Pathfinder using an orange pad? Rather than the CarPro glass pads?



I seem to remember you being the champion of DA/foam for glass polishing rather than the rotary/glass disc method that many felt was required.


No. CarPro glass pad. I've never polished glass with foam (successfully). I like the GG6 + the CarPro glass products. But, I don't own a rotary - I'm sure that works equally as well if not better.

[Setec Astronomy]

No. CarPro glass pad. I've never polished glass with foam (successfully). I like the GG6 + the CarPro glass products. But, I don't own a rotary - I'm sure that works equally as well if not better.

Oh, sorry, I don't know why I remembered that wrong. Rotary has its own issues, of course. I think probably glass polishing won't become "routine" until there is a range of glass pads and polishes (from aggressive to mild) the way we have for polishing paint.

Of course that's the way the sanding system works, with 5 grades...some year I'm going to try that. Who is it that makes that wetsanding gel, Four Star?

[sweatthedetails]

I can't believe that a polish could do that to glass! I've never used that product but I regularly use the Duragloss glass polish with a LC white or blue hybrid pad on my Flex. Most excellent results at removing hard water spots.


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