CarPro Essence with non-CarPro coating

[SYMAWD]

Other companies obviously haven't tested their coatings with a CarPro product, but would Essence possibly inhibit the bonding of say the new Wolfgang coating? Is it leaving a clean surface or a primer just for Cquartz?

[Setec Astronomy]

Great question!

[7.3powerstroke]

Exactly what I want to know. I emailed Corey@ Carpro and he didnt know if it would work with Gloss Coat or not. Chris Thomas, what do you think?

[Sizzle Chest]

I've used it with a non-CarPro coating and so far so good. It's only been a few weeks, but I plan on keeping an eye on it to test it out. I feel that it will be just fine...

[SYMAWD]

I've used it with a non-CarPro coating and so far so good. It's only been a few weeks, but I plan on keeping an eye on it to test it out. I feel that it will be just fine...

Let us know. I want to coat my parents car, but don't feel like doing a full correction, so I wanted to just do Essence and then Wolfgang, although I do have some Cquartz.

[DaveT435]

I've used it with a non-CarPro coating and so far so good. It's only been a few weeks, but I plan on keeping an eye on it to test it out. I feel that it will be just fine...

I'm thinking about testing it with another coating as well. I've actually got three different coatings I can try it with. Can you let me know what coating you used so we aren't testing the same one?

[Sizzle Chest]

I'm thinking about testing it with another coating as well. I've actually got three different coatings I can try it with. Can you let me know what coating you used so we aren't testing the same one?


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What are you planning on using?

[zmcgovern45]

I am currently testing Essence with non-carpro coatings as well.

I have the new 22ple High Performance Coating on my hood which was coated with Essence prior to applying the coating. So far, so good. Will monitor throughout the midwest winter.


I have been experimenting with various coatings on my personal cars without any IPA/Eraser wipe down over the course of the last year or so, and I will be perfectly honest in that all of the coatings performed excellent. There was no distinguishable difference between the panels that were wiped down with IPA/Eraser and the panels that were not after several months.

I assume it has to do with the fact that when polishing, I am only using a tiny amount of M205 or reflect on my pad and am working it until the product is nearly invisible. It's been an interesting experiment, I wish I had some oily products like Menzerna SF4500 to try. My hunch would be that a product like that would be much more likely to interfere with the coating.

... but back to the topic at hand. I had asked Avi about the compatibility of Essence with other coatings, and his response was similar to Corey's in that they did no know because they had not tested it, but he assumed it would likely be OK because of the fact that when you're using Essence with a machine (not by hand), the friction and heat generated during the polishing process causes the solvents to evaporate or disappear or whatever, meaning there is very little residue left on the surface afterwards. The majority of that is then wiped away with your towel.

[Setec Astronomy]

I have been experimenting with various coatings on my personal cars without any IPA/Eraser wipe down over the course of the last year or so, and I will be perfectly honest in that all of the coatings performed excellent. There was no distinguishable difference between the panels that were wiped down with IPA/Eraser and the panels that were not after several months.

That is pretty interesting. Certainly food for thought regarding accepted dogma, the Optimum procedures which say if you use their polishes you don't need any prep (their new prep product not withstanding), etc.

Of course the whole wax-over-sealant not sealant-over-wax argument is one that has become blurred and muted in recent years because of the recognition of most "waxes" having "sealant" content, and many sealant prep polishes having "glaze" properties.

Wouldn't it be funny if most of this prep dogma came out of the marketing departments rather than the chemistry lab. I would love to hear our friend PiPUK's comments on this but he doesn't seem to post here anymore.

[SYMAWD]

That is pretty interesting. Certainly food for thought regarding accepted dogma, the Optimum procedures which say if you use their polishes you don't need any prep (their new prep product not withstanding), etc.

Of course the whole wax-over-sealant not sealant-over-wax argument is one that has become blurred and muted in recent years because of the recognition of most "waxes" having "sealant" content, and many sealant prep polishes having "glaze" properties.

Wouldn't it be funny if most of this prep dogma came out of the marketing departments rather than the chemistry lab. I would love to hear our friend PiPUK's comments on this but he doesn't seem to post here anymore.

Exactly what I was thinking. If Essence leaves protection, why does it not inhibit the coating?

[Setec Astronomy]

If Essence leaves protection, why does it not inhibit the coating?

Well, as I understand it, what Essence leaves is basically a coating, so depending, you should be able to go over that with another coating, right?

I can't even keep track any more of the "recoat" processes for coatings, what we've been told has changed so many times (which may be because the products have changed, as well as the mfr's knowledge of the product increasing over time). I know when the original Opti-Coat (pro) came out, and I think also for 2.0 which was similar, you were supposed to be able to recoat during the curing time, but not after full cure (which could take weeks). I think Gloss-Coat you are supposed to be able to recoat any time. Not sure about the CQuartz products.

[EzyBrzy]

What about sealants instead of coatings? Anyone experiment with that

[Mike lambert]

I have used it with both Gyeon and Kamakaze coatings, I saw no difference in how they behaved in application or looks. The cars I did I see every 6 months so we can keep an eye on them. Now, a friend who was at SEMA was told at the booth any coating was fine, so I guess we will see?

[Matt@flyingchipmunk]

good question posed, I would also be interested in finding out about using WG Uber ceramic after essence.

My gut is telling me that the "coating" it leaves behind will not be the optimal curing surface and just not the best combination of products. But I'll watch this thread with interest!

[SeanChav]

a little off topic here, but what about just using essence as a stand alone AIO.... I'm wondering if the coating that it leaves behind is worthy of a LSP by itself