D114 and LSP degradation...

[MrOneEyedBoh]

So Bob turned me on to this D114 product. Looks very versatile. I have ONRWW but honestly don't like it much. I use it in my truck as a qd/bird bomb spray when needed. Anyway, from reading online I see it can degrade your LSP. Now I'd assume this is because of its strong cleaning ability. I see it can even strip polishing oils too.

Should I rewax when using D114? I'd like to use D114 in place of a 2 bucket wash here and there, so I'd also be concerned about LSP failure when using D114. I know about D115, but D114 will be used in many other place due to no wax being in it.

I have several spray waxes amongst others too. So I could always just spray it with one after using D114. BTW I have 845 down in two coats on the truck, so hopefully its stout towards the power of D114.

So all in all, id most likely 2 bucket wash, then I'd do a D114 wash, then 2 bucket and so on. I could always make the D114 stronger to strip more LSP off and then I could throw another coat of 845 on...

So how fast does it degrade the LSP?

[Heisenberg]

It should only degrade the LSP as much as any normal wash will(so not much) if you're using it at proper dilutions. People using it as a panel wipe to get rid of polishing oils are using it at concentrated amounts, like 1:15-10. The normal wash dilution is 1:256, 1:128 for very dirty cars.

[FUNX650]

In order for D114, @1:128/1:256 dilution ratios, to
completely degrade an LSP (such as Collinite #845)
at an accelerated/(fast) rate...would, IMHO:
Take a most deliberate and inappropriate misuse of the
RW/WW methods heretofore known to mankind!!


Bob

[MrOneEyedBoh]

Thanks guys. Im new to this style of washing ( and honestly new into detailing in general )

How should I go about using D114 to wash a car? Do I have to fill a bucket with water? Pre-Spray panels etc? Im sorry but I am asking for someone to hold my hand on this one lol. Any help Id appreciate it.

[Heisenberg]

There are a lot of varying techniques with rinseless washing. For D114, I fill a bucket with 2 gallons of water and 1 oz of D114, which makes it a 1:256 ratio. Then I presoak the panels with wash solution, and proceed to use 8 or so microfibers folded into quarters. It's usually called the Garry Dean Wash Method if you want to look into it further.

Here are some tips from Michael Stoops at Meguiars Online when using D114:



Do NOT wring the towels out when you take them out of the bucket - keep them dripping wet when working on the paint.
Never, EVER return a dirty towel to this bucket - doing so will contaminate the whole set up and compromise your wash process.
If you sink 15 towels (or any number of towels for that matter) and find you still have plenty of solution left after you've gone through all the towels, just toss a few more clean towels in and continue on. A couple gallons of water will wash upwards of 8 to 12 cars, depending on how dirty they are.
Personally, I like to use just 4 of the 8 sides of a towel folded in quarters. Once I've used it that much there isn't a lot of solution left in the towel and I'm not comfortable using it on the paint any longer. But that doesn't mean they can't be used for something:


After using 4 sides, toss the towel onto a grit guard that's just sitting on the floor - continue stacking towels like this as you go
When finished cleaning the paint, grab one of these "used towels" and wring it out, then expose an unused side and start cleaning the windows
Additional "used" towels are great for wheel cleaning when you're done with the paint and glass - wring out a "used" towel, pre treat the wheel by spraying some diluted D114 onto it and "agitate" with the towel.
Finally, the clean sides of a "used" towel that has been well wrung out will do an amazing job cleaning the interior. Yes, you read that right - D114 is an amazing interior cleaner! Coupled with a microfiber towel you'll be blown away by the crud it can remove from steering wheels, door panels, seats, etc. It's perfectly safe to use on vinyl and leather, so don't be shy!

[frankprozzoly]

Everyone has their own way. I lubricate everything because I want to be safe. I spray down a panel first with the 1oz per gallon dilution then wipe with soaking wet towel in the same dilution sometimes more 114 than suggested. I usually use 3 gallons.

[frankprozzoly]

I also use alot of towels. I never put a dirty towel back in the water. Look up the garry dean method

[Mask]

After rinseless wash the paint, I pour some of the remaining liquid into a smaller bucket with wheel towels before presoak the wheels.
The rest of the liquid will be transfer to a pump sprayer for next use.
This method also increase my laundry :p

[silverfox]

Follow the instructions...and it will NOT degrade the LSP, and furthermore...is perfect for coatings as it leaves nothing to interfere with the coating.

Having said that, it absolutely will degrade the LSP if you use it at very high concentrations 1:15. Yes, it is perfect at high concentrations to replace IPA (lots of lubricity of which IPA has none, and it doesn't evaporate like quickly).

It should be on every shelf.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

Thanks guys appreciate it


Edited: so I should mix up a solution for panel presoak at the normal wash dilution?

What would I use, dilution wise, for say a qd to leave in the car to remove bird bombs etc?

Also has anyone added any AW or something else to add a little wax? I guess you could always just spray a little over top once cleaned and have a bottle of spray wax in the car too.

[The Guz]

I typically save my old clean rinseless solution and bottle it up in a few spray bottles. I will use that as my pre-soak solution, QD or waterless.

You could always spray wax after using it.

[jetman624]

Is D114 safe to use as a water-less wash? That is-- can it be diluted in a sprat bottle and used for things like door jams and other tight spots on paint or plastic?

[FUNX650]

Is D114 safe to use as a water-less wash? That is-- can it be diluted in a sprat bottle and used for things like door jams and other tight spots on paint or plastic?
Safe as a WW? Sure is.:xyxthumbs:

I dilute D114 @1:128 ratio; and then put it into
a spray bottle...to be used for a Water-less Wash.


Bob

[MrOneEyedBoh]

Hey guys,
Wanna bump this back up real quick. What dilutions would you use for pre-soak spray bottle, and say a bird bomb spray bottle? What about say behind the rear wheel , heavy dirt pre-soak spray bottle?

[Recon 4th 502nd]

Hey guys,
Wanna bump this back up real quick. What dilutions would you use for pre-soak spray bottle, and say a bird bomb spray bottle? What about say behind the rear wheel , heavy dirt pre-soak spray bottle?

Just posted this on a related thread....

I was very interested in finding a Quick Detailer/Waterless Wash (Leaving Nothing Behind), Clay Lube, and a Replacement for IPA solutions...something to sweep up Polishes/Compounds that would be cost effective and.... perform!! (Leaving Nothing Behind)

Ran across d114 yesterday (Yes, Newbie ) but I have alot going for me; namely.....HYPER - OCD (HOCD...new acronym).

So off I went looking for Dilution Ratio's (on numerous forums)....appeared to be simple task @ the outset LOL. It was easier researching Quantum Entanglement!!!

Here's what I "eventually" found:

QD/Waterless Wash (Bird Bombs): 128:1

btw, I'd love to meet the person(s) who invented the terms: "Waterless Wash" and "Rinseless Wash"...I'd like to have a little chat!

Clay Lube: 256:1

Those were somewhat easy to find, then....IPA Replacement (lol):

60:1
20:1
15:1
10:1
6:1
"4 oz of 70% IPA and 1/2 oz of RFEW, the rest water in a 16 oz bottle. That gives me right around 15-17% IPA mix."

"10 ounces 90% IPA, 2 ounces catnip, 4 turtle feathers, 3 ounces Jack Daniels (Original Recipe), 3 "RIPE" peach pits, 6 ounces Holy Water".

Yes, ^^^^^ made that one up...but it wasn't too far from some of the RECS I found.

After reading Mike Phillips article on IPA solutions (***which I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU READ): http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/31183-how-mix-ipa-inspecting-correction-results.html

I've decided, for a replacement IPA, to roll with... in 16 ounce bottle:

1/2 ounce (to a little less) D114
2 ounces 70% IPA
13.5 ounces Distilled Water

This is ~ 9% IPA.

ps. I did actually CALL a company (Not Mentioned to protect the innocent) to get the "Scoop" and settle matters.... you don't want to know.

hope it helps