Orange Peel in new clear

[bigge31566]

I just painted a truck and used three coats of clear coat but I have orange peel, try to see what would be the best option to remove it, wet sanding, cut and buff, I already have some Presta ultra 2 step polish compound and a white and grey pad, the orange isnt to aggressive but I want new paint to shine and be smooth

[WillWashesCars]

There are a lot of variables here but I will give the cliff notes. If you are new to this, this is a great time to learn, but learn right. There's a lot of ways to go about cutting, you can start with blocking at 1000 wet, 2000 wet, 3000 wet, then cut with your choice of compound and pad.

If it's really aggressive, you may have to go more aggressive with the initial cut. You will definitely need to invest in more pads and compounds though.

[builthatch]

naturally you can block wet sand and compound/polish...

but...CarPro offers denim peel removal pads. neat concept - it's the equiv of 2k grit but doesn't leave the sanding marks behind.

[pikiki]

naturally you can block wet sand and compound/polish...

but...CarPro offers denim peel removal pads. neat concept - it's the equiv of 2k grit but doesn't leave the sanding marks behind.

:iagree::iagree::iagree:YES Sir and is way safer for someone who is new to this of wet sending. They work great, cut as good as sanding and finish even better. You can even safe a lot of time with this denim pads. Test the pads at low speed and adjust accordingly with your experience and results.

[bigge31566]

With the denim pads do they last long, how many would i need to do do a truck, also do you need a compound while using it

[allenk4]

:iagree::iagree::iagree:YES Sir and is way safer for someone who is new to this of wet sending. They work great, cut as good as sanding and finish even better. You can even safe a lot of time with this denim pads. Test the pads at low speed and adjust accordingly with your experience and results.

I have used the Denim pads and I disagree with four of your five points

1. They do not, "cut as good as sanding".

2. The final finish with wet sanding is much flatter than with Denim

3. Wet sanding is way faster than Denim

4. These pads will not work with low machine speeds, especially on a DA


I agree, they are probably safer than wet sanding

[allenk4]

With the denim pads do they last long, how many would i need to do do a truck, also do you need a compound while using it

No

5 of the 5.3" and four of the 3" for an average car

Yes

[builthatch]

OP there are some videos on Youtube that show the results from the denim pads.

for example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQ5ivxzvp8

Todd Helme said "I have used one of the denim pads on three cars and, once clean, it looks/performs like new. Do plan on using more than one pad per car though and plan on cleaning them frequently as you are using them."

[bigge31566]

Has anyone ever used the wool pads, or is they too aggresive

[pikiki]

[QUOTE=allenk4;1214008]I have used the Denim pads and I disagree with four of your five points

1. They do not, "cut as good as sanding".

2. The final finish with wet sanding is much flatter than with Denim

3. Wet sanding is way faster than Denim

4. These pads will not work with low machine speeds, especially on a DA


I agree, they are probably safer than
I can show you by the use of this pads they can do the job and they work as I know they do but was expecting a coment like that, sanding yes will be flat but other than that I stand by my post. You may need to use them lit bit more

Edwin

[pikiki]

No

5 of the 5.3" and four of the 3" for an average car

Yes



The amount of pads will depend on how bad is the orange peel, they will wear out if need to remove a heavy amount of it I have done entire car with 3 of the 5" and 2 of the 3"
This do not have a norm of rule so suggestions is to get more than what you need but not a rule to use a specific number for car sizes

[pikiki]

Let me make my point clear...
1. OP has no experience on wet sanding sooo for an inexperience user demin pads will work better.

2. After wet sanding wool pad, followed by a swirl remover, then finishing. With demin pads for OP will be easier cause demin pads do not haze (not as bad as sanding) or take the entire gloss from the paint wich make the job easier than wet sanding.

3. Less mess all around cause no water with paint residue will run thru the car. Ever heard about residue control? I applied that on my jobs so less mess cleaner job, less cleaning so faster on time, imo I know some disagree and it is fine.

4. Low speed is recommend it for new users so they can "adjust accordingly" with goals and results, that is why I suggested that to OP. BTW they do work with DA, I done it with great results even removing scratches

5. Not everyone will pull off a wet sanding job especially for entire car at the first try, that is why again demin is safer and in this case imho the way to go.

We as experience detailers wet sanding is the way to go when it comes to this type of job, BUT!!!! when situation fit this type of tools/pads they have their place. No mean to disrespect you Allen but I just want to make my point clear why I suggest this pads to OP because no experience on wet sanding in this case.

I work on a production body shop, so I see this things almost weekly not only from our painters but from customers who come here to get their orange peel remove. About wet sanding if not done properly an uneven surface will be seen from the distance and this is very common when sanding by hand other than machine.

For experience users looking to achieved the best results hands down with sanding down.
another point is 3000 & 5000 sanding foam disc are wayyyy more expensive and if your not do this as your daily job you may spend a lot of money for one single job.

Just my .02 and my experience to help OP best I can.

Edwin
Below is a quick orange peel removal job done by wet sanding done on a MBZ at the shop done by me :). :xyxthumbs:

[allenk4]

Pikiki,

I think you massaged the points I made in my post to fit your point of view.

To achieve Similar results, wet sanding cuts faster, leaves a flatter final finish, is overall faster.

Low speed will simply not work effectively with Denim pads. Minimum 4.5 on a DA.

Very few people, if any, will be able to finish down after denim without compounding and get the same final result as WS. I would actually argue that if you finish with P5000, you have a better shot of one-stepping that than after Denim.

You should be washing the vehicle after both wet sanding and Denim. They both make too much of a mess to proceed directly to polishing. So, I don't see a difference there

Not sure what the reference to "residue control" has to do with anything, as that relates to what is happening between the pad/paper and the paint, not what is dripping onto the garage floor.

Never said they were not safer for most people

Never said they don't work on a DA. I use a 3401