Not being able to remove swirl marks, help!

[num21lock]

I've got a dark blue 2007/2008 Kia Carens, looks fine from a distance, but up close you can see lots of spider webs and swirls and fine scratches. I believe it's a clear coat, as there was no paint colour transfer unto the foam pad when I attempted to compound/polish.

I did a thorough wash and clayed (Erazer Elasti-clay) with clay lube (ONR mixed solution). After drying the car I proceeded with a GG DA with a 5" backing plate and a 5.5" LC Orange pad. I had on me a bottle of Menzerna SF4000, and tried paint correction on 2 test spots, without any swirl removals.

I made sure to do the marker line trick on the backing plate to make sure the pad was rotating properly. I applied medium pressure at speed 5. I also primed the pad with the SF4000 product as well, before adding 3-4 additional pea sized drops.

Really odd that I wasn't getting any correction or swirl mark removal at all. I had read through the AGO forums of folks doing whole car corrections with the SF4000 and even a white foam pad...

Should I up the cutting compound? If so, do I go with the PF2500 or the FG400 (rated 7/10 for cut)? And do I still stick with the orange pads for swirls removal if I do change to a different compound?

Am I missing something? Hope to get some help and advice, thank you in advance!

[mbanks21]

Sf4000 is a finishing polish. Get something harder with the orange pad. Follow up with SF on white pad

[CDot]

I lot of people love FG400 for heavy correction/swirls.

[David Hayward]

If you can't even make any progress at all with the griots polisher using 5.5 inch pads pads then I would try pf2500 if that doesn't correct on your test spot then go to fg400.

I use fg400 alot and it works great. I've had good luck with white pads and fg400 on lighter jobs and with a megs mf cutting pad for heavier work.

[refreshauto]

Go with the fg-400 and turn your speed up to 6 slow arm movement and make and 6-8 passes

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[Mike Phillips]

num21lock,

Like others said, you're using a product with minimal cut and while it can work it will be a lot faster and a much more efficient use of your time and energy to use a more aggressive product.

I don't think you need to get as aggressive as the FG 400 Compound but instead, take a look at the SI 1500 Super Intensive Polish. You can use this with just about any foam pad to increase or decrease how aggressive the overall abrading action is and some people after buffing with this polish will go straight to wax as it can look that good.

A show car oriented person would re-polish with the SF 4000 and a soft foam finishing pad and then go to wax.

Here you go... listed in order of aggrssevness....

Menzerna - New Names and Product Numbers (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/products-guides/47067-menzerna-new-names-product-numbers.html)


Menzerna has introduced all new labels and product names for identifying their products. I know it's easy to stick with what you know and change can be hard but the new product names and identifying numbers are here to stay so might as well make the switch when talking and typing about them..



FG 400 Fast Gloss Compound (http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-fast-gloss.html)

PG 1000 – PowerGloss Compound (http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-powergloss-compound.html) (S34A)

SI 1500 – Super Intensive Polish (http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-po83-si1500.html) (PO83)

IP 2000 – Intensive Polish (http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-intensive-polish.html) (PO91E)

PF 2500 – Power Finish Polish (http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-polish-po203.html) (PO203)

FF 3000 – Final Finish Polish (http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-final-polish.html) (PO85U)

SF 4000 – Super Finish Polish (http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-nano-polish-po-106-fa-finishing-polish.html) (PO106FA)

SF 4500 – Super Finish Polish (http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-final-finish-po85rd.html) (PO85RD)

Menzerna Power Lock Polymer Paint Sealant (http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-power-lock-sealant.html)

Menzerna Color Lock Carnauba Wax (http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-paint-refresh.html)

Menzerna Paint Refresh Professional Grade Detail Spray (http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-paint-refresh.html)



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[Ford Fest]

I ran into the same issues with PC and Pinnacle Natural swirl remover. I wondered if it was due to my lack of experience or the need to use a more aggressive product.

[Mike Phillips]

I ran into the same issues with PC and Pinnacle Natural swirl remover. I wondered if it was due to my lack of experience or the need to use a more aggressive product.

What are you working on?

Pinnacle ASR is a medium cut polish and very capable for removing just about anything that should be removed from a daily driver.

Maybe start a dedicated thread?


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[sweatthedetails]

Never had much luck trying to correct with a DA. The forced action machines and a wool pad would take care of that quick.

[Mike Phillips]

Never had much luck trying to correct with a DA.




Of course any tool that's gear driven will be faster but for about the millionth time in my life I just took an older retired guy that's NEVER polished paint by machine and using a simple Porter Cable dual action polisher he just learned how to remove swirls and scratches out of his 2003 Mustang Mach 1.

Super simple. Super safe.


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[Ford Fest]

What are you working on?


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It is a garage queen 2007 black GT500. As I mentioned, I'm new to working with a machine, I've always worked by hand. I clayed the car, then used the PC with Pinnacle swirl remover (6.5" orange) polish (6.5" white) and finished with Black Label sealant.

The paint is a constant fight due to dust. I'm amazed just how much dust gets on the car in a day or two sitting in the garage. In the past I used a CA duster and found that it may have caused a lot of swirl marks. I was introduced to waterless wash and have been maintaining with it. I've also started to use a car cover, but would prefer to leave the car uncovered so I can enjoy it.

[mcate]

It is a garage queen 2007 black GT500. As I mentioned, I'm new to working with a machine, I've always worked by hand. I clayed the car, then used the PC with Pinnacle swirl remover (6.5" orange) polish (6.5" white) and finished with Black Label sealant.

The paint is a constant fight due to dust. I'm amazed just how much dust gets on the car in a day or two sitting in the garage. In the past I used a CA duster and found that it may have caused a lot of swirl marks. I was introduced to waterless wash and have been maintaining with it. I've also started to use a car cover, but would prefer to leave the car uncovered so I can enjoy it.

I have a black 09 GT500, & I know what you're saying about dust! I've never tried Pinnacle. A combination I found that works well on mine is correcting with my PC7424 (until I get a Rupes!) & white pad, & Poorboy's SSR2 or 2.5. Finish polishing with either 3D/HD polish or Menzerna SF4000. Then I seal with Menzerna PL & throw a couple of coats of Menzerna CL wax on for good measure. Im completely happy with the results.

[Mike Phillips]

I ran into the same issues with PC and Pinnacle Natural swirl remover. I wondered if it was due to my lack of experience or the need to use a more aggressive product.






It is a garage queen 2007 black GT500. As I mentioned, I'm new to working with a machine, I've always worked by hand.




I only mean this in the nicest way but the problem is your lack of experience and that's why I always recommend to people just learning how to machine polish to NOT practice or learn on something important to them, especially something cool and black like your GT500.

Practice on the wife's car first...

Get this DVD, it shows you how to get great results from any dual action polisher the first time out....



How to Properly Use the Porter Cable 7424XP Dual Action Polisher Updated! (http://www.autogeek.net/porter-cable-dvd.html)
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1313/PorterCableDVD.jpg




Yesterday, I took a retired New York Police Officer that has NEVER used a machine to polish his car's paint in his life and in just a fewminutess taught him how to remove all the swirls and scratches and create a show car finish on his 2003 Mach 1.

Of course it helps to havesomeonee by your side that's been doing this for years but with the help of this forum I know you can do it.


:)

[Ford Fest]

Agree with my lack of experience. I planned to practice on other family member cars, but the problem is they are either champagne or silver paint. You can't really see much in regard to swirl marks. I'll check out the video you recommended. I've watched countless hours of your YouTube videos and that I had it down. I'm sure it will come down to knowing the right pressure, arm movement and practice.

Thanks for the advice!

[Ford Fest]

Agree with my lack of experience. I planned to practice on other family member cars, but the problem is they are either champagne or silver paint. You can't really see much in regard to swirl marks. I'll check out the video you recommended. I've watched countless hours of your YouTube videos and thought I had it down. I'm sure it will come down to knowing the right pressure, arm movement and practice.

Thanks for the advice!