M16

[cleanmycorolla]

So I am going to try this out this weekend, any application tips?

[FUNX650]

So I am going to try this out this weekend, any application tips?
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/500/image384.jpg (http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/78625)

Bob

[wytstang]

If you think you are not using enough, you are using to much. Do not cake it on, very thin coats.

[VISITOR]

very thin coats and i wouldn't wait to apply it to the whole car and then remove, but every other panel or so IME. it should dry/haze up pretty quickly given how hot it's been here in the so.cal. apply it thick and it will be a pain in the rear to remove...

[BillE]

M-16?!?

Where'd (and how) you score that from?

As everyone has stated prior...THIN THIN THIN!

Bill

[jfelbab]

M16 Tip: If you apply too thick a coating and it hardens, it will difficult to remove. To remedy, just reapply some more #16 to re-liquify the hardened wax, thin it out, then buff it off easily. This wax is very easy to remove if applied thinly. One tin typically does about 80 applications so a little goes a very long way.

Pros:
•Very good durability and protection. (like 476 only looks better)
•Outstanding beading.
•Clear without virtually no darkening of the paint.
•Bright reflectivity similar to sealants.

Cons:
•Doesn't impart darkening and the warm glow typical of most carnaubas.
•Discontinued in the US market and pretty difficult to find.

[Mike Phillips]

As someone that used this product professionally for at least 10 years, back before the Internet so back before a lot of the brands talked about today even existed the key with this product is to apply VERY THIN coats.

Or it will break your arm trying to remove it.

This is also a finishing wax, that means zero cleaning ability. Like all finishing waxes it should ONLY be applied to paint that is brand new and in excellent or show car quality condition.

Or applied only to paint that you have just polished. Point being the paint needs to be perfectly clean, smooth and defect free.

While I wrote this article for Klasse SG the SAME tip I share in this article would apply to Meguiar's M16 Professional Paste Wax.


A tip for working with waxes, paint sealants or coatings that are new to you (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/tricks-tips-techniques/37279-tip-working-waxes-paint-sealants-coatings-new-you.html)


Not have I only used this product a lot... I have a lot....

Below you'll find a few pictures of my M16 Professional Paste Wax Collection. In case anyone doesn't know, M16 Professional Paste Wax was the first one of the first waxes introduced by Meguiar's.

http://www.showcargarage.com/gallery/files/1/M16Collection01.jpg

http://www.showcargarage.com/gallery/files/1/M16Collection04.jpg

http://www.showcargarage.com/gallery/files/1/M16Collection06.jpg

http://www.showcargarage.com/gallery/files/1/M16LippedCan02.jpg

http://www.showcargarage.com/gallery/files/1/M16LippedCan03.jpg

http://www.showcargarage.com/gallery/files/1/M16LippedCan04.jpg



The entire time I was taking these pictures my son kept trying to ham his way into the photos...

http://www.showcargarage.com/gallery/files/1/M16LippedCan05.jpg


The below is all in my collection out in California...

http://www.showcargarage.com/gallery/files/1/MyM16Collection1.jpg

http://www.showcargarage.com/gallery/files/1/MyM16Collection2.jpg


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[Mike Phillips]

Before the term topping was used on forums, I used it when I did show car or multiple step detailing procedures.

After all the compounding and polishing was over I would apply a coat of #20 Polymer Sealant and follow this with a coat of #M16

This would have been from around 1990 to 2000, again, long before a lot of the names we all talk about today were either available or popular and often times both.

IF you don't own M16 you can pretty much get the same look from P21S, here's a post I made in another thread.

I found this post I made in July of 2002 on another forum,

Meguiar's #16 Professional Paste Wax compared to P21S

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2WaxComparison.jpg

From everything I can tell, Meguiar's #16 Professional Paste Wax and P21S Carnauba Wax are very, very similar.

Things in common

* They smell the same
* They have the same feel at application
* They create the same visual appearance i.e. good gloss
* They are both pure waxes in that they should only be applied to new, or like new finishes, or paint that has been previously pre-cleaned and pre-polished.


Things that are different

* P21S is states it is a Carnauba based Wax
* #16 is a blended wax that includes Carnauba as well as other ingredients.
* P21S instructions state best results come from removing wax before it hazes
* #16 instructions state to allow wax to haze before removing
* #16 is roughly 1/3 the cost of P21S
* You get approximately twice as much wax with #16 versus P21S



Click here to get a jar of P21S (http://www.autogeek.net/p2concarwax.html)




:)

[Mike Phillips]

So I am going to try this out this weekend, any application tips?

Also, to get the full effect... same goes for P21S


Apply a thin coat and let it fully dry before wiping it off.


M16 is what old timers called a heavy wax. I talked to a chemist about this term and he told me that the polymers or atoms, I forget which, were considered heavy. Whatever that means... I'm not a chemist.

It's also called a Hard Wax. Not because it's hard to wipe off, it's only hard to wipe off if you apply it too thick. It's called a Hard Wax because when the thin coating dries, it dries hard.

This wax was available in the "Professional Line", that means it was formulated for and intended to be used by people with a higher skill level and more experience than the average citizen.

Keep that in mind when using it and practice applying to a small area, letting it dry and then wiping it off to learn the way of M16

For another little tidbit of information, see post #43 of this thread...


Some Vintage Meguiar's Products from my Collection (Lots of pictures) (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/24271-some-vintage-meguiar-s-products-my-collection-lots-pictures.html)



:D

[swanicyouth]

Also, to get the full effect... same goes for P21S

Apply a thin coat and let it fully dry before wiping it off.


I thought P21S was wipe on / wipe off like Füzion? Actually, I thought that was the real benefit to using waxes like P21S/Füzion/Midnight Sun is that you can wipe them off immediately and they are always easy to remove - wether you wipe them off quickly or not. Whereas, some people in is thread are reporting M16 may be harder to remove depending on technique.

I may be wrong though, maybe P21S is supposed to "haze"?

[Dr_Pain]

LOL! I know we are in a detailing forum but the M16 title did get me excited for other 2nd amendment based reasons, if you know what I mean. Nothing like 100 round drum on full auto :)

Back to your scheduled program. Nothing to add to the topic of the paste wax. All has been said!

[cleanmycorolla]

Thanks all for the advice, the tin i scored, the direction label on the bottom is torn, so most of the "directions" were missing, so the pictures of it helped Mike and Bob!

[Justin at Final Inspection]

I really want to try this wax. Need to keep my eye out for some.

Keep us posted on the results.

[Mike Phillips]

I thought P21S was wipe on / wipe off




I think the directions state to let it dry to a light haze with the idea being to get people to wipe it off before it completely dries hard and thus becomes difficult to wipe of for those that put it on too thick. Kind of dummy-proofing the product for the lowest common denominator among us.

Just a guess after working as a label copy writer for Meguiar's.


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