d151 vs #86 [Archive] - Auto Geek Online Auto Detailing Forum

Mike Phillips

07-11-2014, 06:18 AM

Kind of taking off where haris300 posted...

M86 is a one-step compound/polish for the body shop industry. This product is body shop safe, that means it's safe to use in a fresh paint environment, it wasn't contaminate the shop. It also mean it has zero protection ingredients as protection ingredients tend to make water bead up and that's the type of thing that contaminates a body shop and causes fish eyes. The goal of this product is to cut like a compound when used with a wool pad and finish like a polish when used with a foam pad. The idea being to make it a super simple system for body shops.

D151 is a one-step cleaner/wax for the detail or reconditioning industry. This product is not body shop safe as it contains waxes and other protection ingredients that "last" when exposed to inclement weather, i.e rainy weather as well as repeated washed.

A good cleaner/wax will,

Clean
Polish
Protect

As for cut, here's an article I wrote back in 2010...

The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you! (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/23583-aggressiveness-order-smat-products-might-surprise-you.html)

Super Micro Abrasive Technology = SMAT
From left to right, the most aggressive to the least aggressive SMAT products
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/828/SMATaggressivenessOrder.jpg

From the most to the least aggressive...

M105 Ultra-Cut Compound/M95 Speed Cut Compound = The same in abrading power
Ultimate Compound
ScratchX 2.0
M86 Solo Cut & Polish Cream
D151 Paint Reconditioning Cream
SwirlX
M205 Ultra Finishing Polish

Now instead of SCANNING... (like we're all prone to do on discussion forums), read the below very carefully.

The order shown here is relative, to the idea that if all things were equal, if all influencing factors could be controlled and be identical when using these products.

That of course is impossible because some of these products are only recommended for use with a rotary buffer while some of these products are only recommended for use by hand or with a dual action polisher. So if we were to follow the manufactures recommendations then we wouldn't be able to compare all of these products side-by-side because in some examples they cannot be used in an equal manner.

Does that make sense?

This article is just to give you a GENERAL idea for the aggressiveness of these products when relatively compared to one another. The way a product is applied, (by hand or machine and if by machine the type of machine), and the application material used to apply the products, (foam, wool, wool/acrylic blend, cotton, microfiber), are both HUGE factors that will and do affect how aggressive a product is or isn't.

So keep this in mind when considering which product to choose and use for your detailing project.

Also keep in mind this is a very diverse group of products, all of these products except the D151 PRC are products with the dedicated purpose of removing below surface defects like swirls, scratches and other etchings and blemishes.

The D151 is a one-step cleaner/wax that has the ability to remove below surface defects, polish the paint to a high gloss and then leave behind a coating of protection.

If you use M86 you'll need to apply a wax, sealant or coating afterwards.

M86 is actually a really good product that doesn't get the kind of attention it used to get. It was Meguiar's answer to another product introduced back in the early 2000's for body shops... can't think of the name off hand...

The idea being is ONE LIQUID and then choose the pad to adjust the cut or the polish. So M86 was the liquid and at the time there were 4 pads, 2 wool pads and 2 foam pads.

The theory being it would simplify the cutting and polishing process by dumbing it down for body shop techs, no chance of using the wrong chemical because there's only one chemical.

:)