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The Enforcer
03-04-2014, 10:01 PM
This is the 4th vehicle I have coated with Opti-coat 2.0. The technique I have found best is where you put the yellow applicator in a disposable glove, and wrap the glove in a blue disposable shop towel. Shown here...


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/kyles2000z/IMG_20140304_212508_704_zps268839ed.jpg (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/kyles2000z/media/IMG_20140304_212508_704_zps268839ed.jpg.html)

So far, I have encounted zero problems with this method. Until tonight. a BIG problem! I have never felt so sick and disgusted while detailing in my life. I spent 14 hours behind the FLEX to correct this black C6 Corvette to 85-90% correction. It looked great! Until Opti-coat application. These are some before/after shots from correction and prior to opticoat...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/kyles2000z/MyCollage_56_zps30161e01.png (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/kyles2000z/media/MyCollage_56_zps30161e01.png.html)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/kyles2000z/MyCollage_55_zps09bb6076.png (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/kyles2000z/media/MyCollage_55_zps09bb6076.png.html)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/kyles2000z/MyCollage_54_zpsf6118037.png (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/kyles2000z/media/MyCollage_54_zpsf6118037.png.html)

Evidentally, something was very wrong and very "defective" with the next blue disposable shop towel on my roll. It damaged every inch of paint that I Opti-coated. It induced the most severe case of marring I have ever seen in my life. The towel was brand new, straight off the roll that was bagged up, and I applied the Opti-coat with very little pressure and the criss-cross hatch pattern. Take a look at how the paint looks now...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/kyles2000z/IMG_20140304_212644_067_zps86c59d96.jpg (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/kyles2000z/media/IMG_20140304_212644_067_zps86c59d96.jpg.html)

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/kyles2000z/IMG_20140304_212845_633_zps3325aa6d.jpg (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/kyles2000z/media/IMG_20140304_212845_633_zps3325aa6d.jpg.html)

Luckily, the entire car is not damaged. I did the top, hatch, and hood before I stopped to remove the high spots and inspect. Once I saw what I happened, I honestly didn't know anything else to do other than hit all the Opti-coat panels with IPA very quick so the coating would not cure. so...

1. What caused this?
2. What to do next? I imagine repolish the marred areas like normal and recoat?
3. SPREAD THIS. I wouldn't wish this on anyone, especially if you coated the entire car before you saw the damage...and at that...a rock hard C6
Just02896
03-04-2014, 10:05 PM
I would strongly recommend using micro suede cloth over a foam block applicator for coatings. There really isn't all that much quality control for shop towels.
The Enforcer
03-04-2014, 10:11 PM
I haven't read one negative thing about this application method from anyone on any forums, youtube, anything. Just my luck that I find out the hard way. And this coating was a "freebie" on top of that for a friend that has sent me a lot of business.
Evan.J
03-04-2014, 10:13 PM
This is what I use all the time. I buy a lot of them and never had any issues

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/autogeek_2270_139236954

Optimum Dual Pro Applicator (http://www.autogeek.net/optimum-dual-pro-applicator.html)
theblob640
03-04-2014, 10:13 PM
I would strongly recommend using micro suede cloth over a foam block applicator for coatings. There really isn't all that much quality control for shop towels.

:iagree: Use the foam block applicator wrapped with a MF suede cloth and apply OC or any coating. I have been doing that and have never encountered micro-marring at all.
The Enforcer
03-04-2014, 10:23 PM
Ya'll aren't answering my questions lol. I understand there are other methods and I'll surely use these methods next time. But are none of you surprised? This is a popular way of applying opticoat and to have it turn out like this is crazy!

What to do now?
primo spaghetti
03-04-2014, 10:23 PM
This is what I use all the time. I buy a lot of them and never had any issues

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/autogeek_2270_139236954

Optimum Dual Pro Applicator (http://www.autogeek.net/optimum-dual-pro-applicator.html)

+1
Evan.J
03-04-2014, 10:25 PM
Ya'll aren't answering my questions lol. I understand there are other methods and I'll surely use these methods next time. But are none of you surprised? This is a popular way of applying opticoat and to have it turn out like this is crazy!

What to do now?

Re-polish any affected areas and re-apply the coating
The Enforcer
03-04-2014, 10:26 PM
Will a quick IPA wipedown remove the coating? I did this 20 minutes after first applying.
swanicyouth
03-04-2014, 10:31 PM
I wouldn't use shop towels on paint. I use them on non scratch sensitive surfaces to apply different things - but not in paint. Who knows what is in the fibers of those towels? Wood? Metal? Piece of a finger of the guy at the factory?

Who knows.

Why not use a coating applicator? They are designed for this use.


Will a quick IPA wipedown remove the coating? I did this 20 minutes after first applying.

You have to re-polish anyway. That will remove it.
AutowerxDetailing
03-04-2014, 10:32 PM
This sucks to see. I can only imagine the disgust after being so close to the "finish line" only to have to start over due to an unexpected problem like this.

Here's what would kind of be my next steps:

1- Re-polish the affected areas.
2- Find an alternative applicator for the coating. One that is potentially softer than the towels you were using.
3- Do a test spot applying the coating with your new "alternate" applicator.
4- Inspect results. If it works well, complete the rest of the car.

Best of luck! :xyxthumbs:
HD.Detailing
03-04-2014, 10:32 PM
I'm not sure I'd trust a shop towel to touch corrected paint.. have you done the CD test with thAt towel?

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cardaddy
03-04-2014, 10:37 PM
Looks (on my phone) more like smearing than marring.

Anything change between your last paper towel application and this one? Like is it colder this time around?

Because its OC I'd at least do a quick polish before trying another application.

Do you use IPA or Eraser?

And on the applicator....

I know that rhe 4" ones are 10 for $12.99, which IMHO is ROBBERY!

But...... grab up a ten pack of the 16"x16" suede cloths for only $19.99. Take pinking shears (zigzag scissors) and you can make ONE HUNDRED SIXTY 4" applicators for only $19.99.

I wouldn't even THINK of applying a permanent coating with a paper towel. Just not worth the hassle. :dunno:

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KillaCam
03-04-2014, 10:55 PM
How much pressure were you applying?
Considering how hard that clear is either that shop towel had some nasty stuff on it or you used a ton of pressure.
The Enforcer
03-04-2014, 10:56 PM
Thanks. The applicator that comes with the coating sucks. That's why I don't use them. They waste too much product, too grabby, I can go on and on. This method is used very commonly and is why I chose to do it this way..shown here...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyo_-UA8yM4]Opti-Coat Application Methods - YouTube[/video]

ya live and ya learn...