Which is least aggressive Meguiar's Solo #86 or ultimate compound ?

[tbird17]

Just looking to take out some swirls out of my black chevy avalanche... last year I tried Menzerma's FF3000 w/ white lake county pad, but it did not take out all swirls... looking for something more a little more aggressive...

Do I try FF3000 with an orange cutting pad or go to a more aggressive compound like solo #86( have it but never used it yet) or Ultimate compound ? ? ? which one is less aggressive ?

Any thoughts, advice, suggestions or comments are appreciated...

Thanks

[HateSwirls]

Never tried the #86.

Have you ever looked into the Wolfgang Über Compound?
I ask you this because I have and the results were outstanding:dblthumb2:

It will remove most swirls and finishes down so good, too a point you could stop there if you really wanted to.
A couple of months ago I did an 06' GMC that was horrible.
The Über really worked well in removing the swirls and light scratches.
Low dusting, decent work time and wipes off very easy.
It will not gum up on you. :dblthumb2:

[spiralout462]

Meguiar's Ultimate Compound and Wolfgang Uber Compound the only two compounds I have ever needed. One SMAT, one DAT. With the right pad and technique one or the other will handle any defect.

[wdmaccord]

Just looked at Todd Helme's chart and it looks like they are the same in terms of aggressiveness coming in at an 8 out of 10 (10 most aggressive).

For comparison, the Menz FF3000 is a 2 out of 10, so not very aggressive (same as SF4500)

[HD.Detailing]

quick search


http://www.buffdaddy.com/files/1519584/uploaded/022409R-O-3pageversion.pdf

[Roger T]

Just looked at Todd Helme's chart and it looks like they are the same in terms of aggressiveness coming in at an 8 out of 10 (10 most aggressive).

For comparison, the Menz FF3000 is a 2 out of 10, so not very aggressive (same as SF4500)

Please tell me more about "Todd Helme's chart"

Thanks.

Roger T

[Extreme Radiance]

This is from Meguiars online forum.
In most to least aggresive order.

M105 Ultra-Cut Compound/M95 Speed Cut Compound = The same in abrading power
Ultimate Compound
ScratchX 2.0
M86 Solo Cut & Polish Cream
D151 Paint Reconditioning Cream
SwirlX
M205 Ultra Finishing Polish
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[FUNX650]

quick search


http://www.buffdaddy.com/files/1519584/uploaded/022409R-O-3pageversion.pdf
^^^Thanks!^^^

Please note that M86 is NOT recommended for for use with a DA.


Just looked at Todd Helme's chart and it looks like they are the same in terms of aggressiveness coming in at an 8 out of 10 (10 most aggressive).

Please tell me more about "Todd Helme's chart"

Thanks.

Roger T
Accuracy of any particular Meguiar's "aggressiveness-chart"?
Doesn't Meguiar's also use a 0-12 "aggressiveness scale" for some of its products?

Does it depend if the products are Rotary, or DA, specific?


Bob

[spiralout462]

Please tell me more about "Todd Helme's chart"

Thanks.

Roger T

Here ya go! Todd is the detailing guru over at autopiaforums.
UPDATED: Autopia Car Care Polish Comparison Chart - Autopia Forums - Auto Detailing & Car Care Discussion Forum (http://www.autopiaforums.com/forums/paint-correction-gloss-enhancement/38719-updated-autopia-car-care-polish-comparison-chart.html?highlight=polish+chart)

[wdmaccord]

Here ya go! Todd is the detailing guru over at autopiaforums.
UPDATED: Autopia Car Care Polish Comparison Chart - Autopia Forums - Auto Detailing & Car Care Discussion Forum (http://www.autopiaforums.com/forums/paint-correction-gloss-enhancement/38719-updated-autopia-car-care-polish-comparison-chart.html?highlight=polish+chart)

Yep, that one. Here is another one that also has the chart that includes a discussion of SMAT vs. DAT.
The Difference Between Diminishing and Non-Diminishing Abrasive Polishes - Autopia Forums - Auto Detailing & Car Care Discussion Forum (http://www.autopiaforums.com/forums/detail-institute-presented-autopia-carcare-com/40223-difference-between-diminishing-non-diminishing-abrasive-polishes.html)

[Mike Phillips]

Here's an article I wrote back in 2010 with help from Mike Pennington at Meguiar's. Since writing this article some new products have been introduced like M100 and M101 so it's time to update it but this will at least put M86 into relationsip with Ultimate Compound.


The Aggressiveness Order of SMAT Products - This might surprise you! (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/23583-aggressiveness-order-smat-products-might-surprise-you.html)


Super Micro Abrasive Technology = SMAT
From left to right, the most aggressive to the least aggressive SMAT products
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/828/SMATaggressivenessOrder.jpg

From the most to the least aggressive...

M105 Ultra-Cut Compound/M95 Speed Cut Compound = The same in abrading power
Ultimate Compound
ScratchX 2.0
M86 Solo Cut & Polish Cream
D151 Paint Reconditioning Cream
SwirlX
M205 Ultra Finishing Polish

Now instead of SCANNING... (like we're all prone to do on discussion forums), read the below very carefully.

The order shown here is relative, to the idea that if all things were equal, if all influencing factors could be controlled and be identical when using these products.

That of course is impossible because some of these products are only recommended for use with a rotary buffer while some of these products are only recommended for use by hand or with a dual action polisher. So if we were to follow the manufactures recommendations then we wouldn't be able to compare all of these products side-by-side because in some examples they cannot be used in an equal manner.

Does that make sense?

This article is just to give you a GENERAL idea for the aggressiveness of these products when relatively compared to one another. The way a product is applied, (by hand or machine and if by machine the type of machine), and the application material used to apply the products, (foam, wool, wool/acrylic blend, cotton, microfiber), are both HUGE factors that will and do affect how aggressive a product is or isn't.

So keep this in mind when considering which product to choose and use for your detailing project.

Also keep in mind this is a very diverse group of products, all of these products except the D151 PRC are products with the dedicated purpose of removing below surface defects like swirls, scratches and other etchings and blemishes.

The D151 is a one-step cleaner/wax that has the ability to remove below surface defects, polish the paint to a high gloss and then leave behind a coating of protection.


:)

[Mike Phillips]

Here's a related article with quite a bit of information.... like the history of when SMAT was introduced....


The SMAT Pack - Everything you ever wanted to know about Meguiar's SMAT products... (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/23561-smat-pack-everything-you-ever-wanted-know-about-meguiar-s-smat-products.html)



:)

[Roger T]

^^^Thanks!^^^

Please note that M86 is NOT recommended for for use with a DA.


Accuracy of any particular Meguiar's "aggressiveness-chart"?
Doesn't Meguiar's also use a 0-12 "aggressiveness scale" for some of its products?

Does it depend if the products are Rotary, or DA, specific?




Bob



Maguiar's Mirror Glaze Ultra Cut Compound has an "aggressiveness rating" of 12. According to Meguiars, the 1 to 10 rating scale had to be expanded to 12 when they came out with the 105 product.

Roger T

[Roger T]

Here ya go! Todd is the detailing guru over at autopiaforums.
UPDATED: Autopia Car Care Polish Comparison Chart - Autopia Forums - Auto Detailing & Car Care Discussion Forum (http://www.autopiaforums.com/forums/paint-correction-gloss-enhancement/38719-updated-autopia-car-care-polish-comparison-chart.html?highlight=polish+chart)


Thank you for sharing.

The chart really puts things in perspective.

Roger T

[Buster906]

Meguiars solo cut! Has anyone used this AIO cutting compound? What were the results and were you satisfied? Maybe you know someone not on the AG forum who has used this product. I want some reviews because I ordered the Meguiars Solo cut system. Should be arriving today. This system is for rotary only.