XMT360 vs. Duragloss 501: Clean & Cut

[Hoytman]

As you can see in the photo below the paint on this Regal was very stained. This hood has been washed, and clayed using the Hi-Tech Clay Block...and you can see the marring it left on the hood...and that was after I had cleaned the glass on 4 vehicles to break it in. Marred the paint up, or did it? Actually, I think what happened is this paint was slightly oxidized and had a heavy road film on it and the marks are where the clay block broke through this heavy film. Just my theory, and that doesn't mean I'm correct.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1886/800_XMT360_DG501_01.jpg

Another view after claying. You can see it's stained badly.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1886/800_XMT360_DG501_02.jpg



Meguiar's G110v2 with a green Lake Country polishing pad for each product used (that's two (2) pads). Each area was about 20x20 so I broke each taped section down into two section when polishing. Speed 3 to start w/no pressure, then bumped to speed 5.5 with about 15lbs. pressure. Don't recall how many passes I made. Obviously, XMT was worked until it was almost gone according to directions. Both products had easy wipe off.

Thanks Richy for the bottle of DG501/601 to try out. Thank you!!! (Photo's are a long time comin'.)
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1886/800_XMT360_DG501_03.jpg


The angle of this shot isn't good, but it is overhead directly. If you look closely can still see swirls that are left on the xmt360 side. Almost too shaded on the right side to say much about Durgloss 501 having any cut with this particular photo.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1886/800_XMT360_DG501_04.jpg


A little better view. Looking much better. Appears that swirls may be some better on each side, yet still highly visible. Staining is certainly gone.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1886/800_XMT360_DG501_05.jpg


Duragloss 501 did a fantastic job cleaning the right side. I ended up cleaning the rest of the car with Duragloss 501, I think.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1886/800_XMT360_DG501_06.jpg


After using DG501 on the entire car I washed it several times throughout the year. Even Opti-sealed it once or twice (plan was to sell it).

The photo below was taken almost a year later after all traces of protection was gone. Absolutely no beading at this point, and sheeting...well let's just say that after it rained the water laid on the horizontal surfaces forever. For this photo an ISP wipedown was done. You can clearly see tape lines and swirls.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1886/800_XMT360_DG501_07.jpg



Center tape line.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1886/800_XMT360_DG501_08.jpg

Another shot of the center tape line below.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1886/800_XMT360_DG501_09.jpg


Although I did not get a real good overhead photo a year later I can tell you that both tape lines were visible on each side, but clearly the xmt had more cut.

How do I know? The xmt tape line stood out more than that of the DG501 side.

How do I know that DG501 didn't have much cut? Well, I don't really have a good answer, but any cut that I did get was from the pad itself, imo. It was real obvious that xmt360 beat DG501 in the cut department. Which concurs with some folks' comments about DG501 being only a cleaner, having no abrasives.

Other's have said DG501 has abrasives. I could not see evidence of it with my eyes or in my photo's.

Does DG501 clean well? You betcha'. Just take a look at the right half of the hood in the photo above (photo #6).

Before I sold this car I used some Optimum Poli-Seal on it that was given to me by Vegas Transplant. It did a number on the paint really bringing out the metal flake and making it really pop. Thanks Vegas!!

Big thanks to Richy for sending me DG501 to try. Thank you!! Sorry it took me so long to get these photo's up for you.

[FUNX650]

Hi Bill...

Very well written comparison-review!
Most interesting results.



Sorry it took me so long to get these photo's up for you.
OK...That explains why my computer has been running rather slowly for the last hour or two?!?!

:D

Bob

[Hoytman]

Hi Bill...

Very well written comparison-review!
Most interesting results.



OK...That explains why my computer has been running rather slowly for the last hour or two?!?!

:D

Bob:laughing:

Thanks for the kind words, Bob.

[Chris@AutoCleanse]

Very in depth review, thanks for sharing the results. Much appreciated.

[RTexasF]

I've not read anything that says #501 has any cut at all. It has chemical cleaners and sealant.
XMT 360 claims "Ultra fine abrasives" (quote). I don't see the comparison as apples to apples at all but perhaps I missed something. I have both products and use 360 for light polish, cleaning, and protection. #501 for cleaning and protection. I don't see them as like products at all and wonder why they were even compared.

[mwoolfso]

I've not read anything that says #501 has any cut at all. It has chemical cleaners and sealant.
XMT 360 claims "Ultra fine abrasives" (quote). I don't see the comparison as apples to apples at all but perhaps I missed something. I have both products and use 360 for light polish, cleaning, and protection. #501 for cleaning and protection. I don't see them as like products at all and wonder why they were even compared.

+1

[pcw25]

I've not read anything that says #501 has any cut at all. It has chemical cleaners and sealant.
XMT 360 claims "Ultra fine abrasives" (quote). I don't see the comparison as apples to apples at all but perhaps I missed something. I have both products and use 360 for light polish, cleaning, and protection. #501 for cleaning and protection. I don't see them as like products at all and wonder why they were even compared.

Not at all? Well if you ask me you named they both have cleaning and protection, which is two out of the three categories you mentioned.

[custmsprty]

I've not read anything that says #501 has any cut at all. It has chemical cleaners and sealant.
XMT 360 claims "Ultra fine abrasives" (quote). I don't see the comparison as apples to apples at all but perhaps I missed something. I have both products and use 360 for light polish, cleaning, and protection. #501 for cleaning and protection. I don't see them as like products at all and wonder why they were even compared.

+2 That vehicle needed a lot more than either of those for a first step polish.

[Hoytman]

When I said I had read somewhere that DG501 contains abrasives does not mean that what I read was an official statement by someone. It means that I may have seen someone else make those statements such as in the quotes below. (Each person can click on the little red boxes and read the thread these quotes came from for themselves.)


:eek:

Does 501 contain any abrasives?


Yes. They are nano diminishing abrasives. Duragloss has been using nano products before nano became the "it" word. :) I worked at speed 3.5 and only the weight of the machine using my Griot's Garage ROP with no intention of correction, just deep cleaning the paint before DG 601/105 x2 for winter prep.

*By products I mean the items used in their polishes



Duragloss has both abrasives and strong cleaners. It is my favorite AIO and it lasts a long time.


I've not read anything that says #501 has any cut at all.You have now.


It has chemical cleaners and sealant.
XMT 360 claims "Ultra fine abrasives" (quote). I don't see the comparison as apples to apples at all but perhaps I missed something. I have both products and use 360 for light polish, cleaning, and protection. #501 for cleaning and protection. I don't see them as like products at all and wonder why they were even compared.


+1

I had and have no intentions of trying to make an apples to apples comparison.

I was merely trying to show that some believe it has correcting ability greater than it actually has (at least that I've seen) and in agreement with the following...
There's a difference between correcting and cleaning. 501 is a very powerful cleaner, not so good at correcting. I always advocate to use the right tool for the job. If you need correcting, use a polish or compound that will do the job. (As mentioned, you always try the least aggressive approach first and increase the aggressiveness as needed). Follow that up with 501 and then seal it afterward. You will love the results.

In which I replied...
I concur with Richy's comments on this.

The entire thread can be found here http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/42891-not-sure-about-duragloss-501-a.html

I'm not trying to be an official spokesperson of DG or XMT. However, based on comments in the thread link above, I found for myself based on one use (which in and of itself isn't meant to be official either), and based on richy's comments, I simply agreed with him and wanted to show the proof I found to be true.

This thread was meant to be more of a pic your poison (read brand of product to use) review of two very nice products, both with chemical cleaners. If only one, or both, have abrasives officially isn't of importance to this thread because the objective was to clean the paint with one product that can provide some protection (that's two things).Both products provide what I was looking for.

Finding out on my own which had better cut was simply a by-product of having used both products. It's always a good day when I learn something.

[Hoytman]

+2 That vehicle needed a lot more than either of those for a first step polish.

To do more than clean the paint (read use a compound and polish) and and waste valuable time on a vehicle that had been neglected and has clear coat failure would fit under the category; overkill.

Objective:
Clean the paint and provide some protection and make it shine before being sold. Mission accomplished with one product, DG501/601.

Keep in mind this initial cleaning with these two products was done early this past spring. In September I re-cleaned the paint with another AIO, Optimum Poli-Seal, which also performed flawlessly and gave the buyer some protection for the rest of the fall season.

[AutowerxDetailing]

Nice comparo Hoytman! :props:

[richy]

XMT360 is a weird bird IMO. Tries to be an AIO but doesn't have enough bite to truly excel at it. I then started using it on chrome but found Colli metal wax to beat it there. End result? After sitting for a long time on the shelf, I gave it away. SC is my go-to for cleaning with no protection and 501 for when I want protection. These are my opinions based on my experience.
I'm glad you got to use and enjoy 501. You're very welcome.


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[KillaCam]

Nice review. Some people are being quite harsh in this thread.


XMT360 is a weird bird IMO. Tries to be an AIO but doesn't have enough bite to truly excel at it. I then started using it on chrome but found Colli metal wax to beat it there. End result? After sitting for a long time on the shelf, I gave it away. SC is my go-to for cleaning with no protection and 501 for when I want protection. These are my opinions based on my experience.
I'm glad you got to use and enjoy 501. You're very welcome.


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Collinite metal wax is amazing on chrome. Hate it on polished aluminum though!

[Bunky]

Thanks for the side by side demo!

[Hoytman]

+2 That vehicle needed a lot more than either of those for a first step polish.


To do more than clean the paint (read use a compound and polish) and and waste valuable time on a vehicle that had been neglected and has clear coat failure would fit under the category; overkill.

Objective:
Clean the paint and provide some protection and make it shine before being sold. Mission accomplished with one product, DG501/601.

Keep in mind this initial cleaning with these two products was done early this past spring. In September I re-cleaned the paint with another AIO, Optimum Poli-Seal, which also performed flawlessly and gave the buyer some protection for the rest of the fall season.

Here's a couple of photo's to show why I wanted to use a paint cleaner, or AIO like xmt, rather than use a heavy compound or a heavier cut polish.

The beginning of clear coat failure...
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1886/800_Clear_Coat_Failure_01.jpg


http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1886/800_Clear_Coat_Failure_02.jpg

The clear coat had already completely broken down on the front and rear bumpers...all the way to the color base coat.


Here's a couple example of bird etchings. First bad, then real bad damage.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1886/800_Bird_Droppings_01.jpg


http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1886/800_Bird_Droppings_02.jpg


I couldn't see worrying too much about the paint when the brake lines had rusted completely in two and had to be replaced and the suspension system was taking a hit from seeing salty Ohio roads as well.

Test some products, shine it up, and then let someone else have the blessing (sell it).