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goodinblack
10-07-2013, 10:47 AM
So I read mentioned somewhere here about this chemical......... that it is found in Simple Green and supposedly very bad stuff for you.

I cannot remember who made that comment. So I started looking up other stuff that also has this chemical in it.

It is a LOONG list of stuff besides just Simple Green.

Complete list here............. (Scroll to the middle: most all Auto products there).

Household Products Database - Health and Safety Information on Household Products (http://hpd.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/search?tbl=TblChemicals&queryx=111-76-2)

So in the end my question is, do APC have this stuff in them too?

Which ones don't?

Recommendations on cheap AND effective ones?

:dblthumb2:

statusdetailing
10-07-2013, 11:06 AM
I believe that this chemical is used as a solvent in many APC's. I believe it causes headaches and probably isn't good to repeatedly get on your skin over the course of years. It may be labeled as butyl. I try to stay away from it. It's mostly found it very cheap products, as it's very cheap to produce.

FUNX650
10-07-2013, 11:07 AM
So in the end my question is, do APC have this stuff in them too?

Which ones don't?

Many, many "cleaners" contain this organic solvent.

The MSDS's for the APC's, etc. should have the information you're looking for.
If no MSDS is made available...I don't use them.


And/But...
Don't be lulled into a sense of not having to use caution by 2-butoxyethanol not being specifically listed on a product's MSDS...
It has an arm's-length of synonyms it also goes by!!

:)

Bob

goodinblack
10-07-2013, 11:10 AM
Got it. :)

So recommendations?

I am running low of some of these...... and cannot continue to use this crap knowing what I know now.

statusdetailing
10-07-2013, 11:13 AM
You've opened up a can of worms. . .

FUNX650
10-07-2013, 11:16 AM
Got it. :)

So recommendations?

I am running low of some of these...... and cannot continue to use this crap knowing what I know now.

You've opened up a can of worms. . .

OK...I'm game. :D

Are "cleaners" that contain citrus (d-limonene) as their solvent, be less detrimental
to the environment and Human's health...than the crap that was being referenced above?


http://www.emofaces.com/en/emoticons/t/tip-of-the-hat-emoticon.gif...Bob

goodinblack
10-07-2013, 11:19 AM
You've opened up a can of worms. . .

LOL.

Sawwwyy. :( ^^^^

Just looking for recommendations......

statusdetailing
10-07-2013, 11:37 AM
OH NO! The d-limonene argument. I knew it was coming. :laughing:

This can of worms just got bigger. Thanks Bob haha.

I like dlimonene products for removing tar and grime. I've used lots of them from Spartan, Hillyard, etc.

Matter fact, I just ordered some P21S TAW to see how it compares to some of the stuff I'm using. I have a feeling it's going to be good.

Is it safer than 2-butoxyethanol? Seems to depend on who you ask and what their agenda is.

I feel like d-limonene is probably safer for humans but not so good for our fish friends.

I spray dlimonene products on lower panels before a detail, and wipe off with a microfiber towel (designated for lower panels), before doing any rinsing or washing. It's pretty thick so it doesn't run off before wiping. In my mind, this prevents, at least the majority of it from going down the drain.

goodinblack
10-07-2013, 11:40 AM
Wait...... citrus is bad for us too?

:banghead:

FUNX650
10-07-2013, 12:00 PM
Wait...... citrus is bad for us too?

:banghead:
If you think that's bad stuff...
Just wait until you get aholdst of some banana oil!!! http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-evil-grin-smileys-497.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)

BTW:
How far towards Heaven have your prayers been known to reach?


Bob

statusdetailing
10-07-2013, 12:00 PM
Wait...... citrus is bad for us too?

:banghead:

Well, I just wouldn't go eating it...wait a minute! :doh:

FUNX650
10-07-2013, 12:17 PM
Wait...... citrus is bad for us too?

:banghead:

Well, I just wouldn't go eating it...wait a minute! :doh:


Just looking for recommendations......
Below is a d-limonene product...
Don't know how affective it will be as a "cleaner" for vehicles though.

I've noticed that, due to :rulez:..."Adams" doesn't get much Love on the AGO forum...

NOTE: Sorry I can't post the link.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/500/adams_d-limonene.jpg (http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/64252)


I reckon d-limonene is not harmful for our beloved pets!
Go figure...

:dunno:

Bob

FUNX650
10-07-2013, 12:27 PM
So recommendations?

All kidding aside...
The AGO store has many APC's that will fit the bill.

Results for apc - Search (http://autogeek.commerce-search.net/search/catalog-autogeek--keywords-apc--page-3--x-45--y-3)

If in doubt: Let me suggest to contact Nick.


:)

Bob

goodinblack
10-07-2013, 01:02 PM
Thanks guys.

Thoughts on D101?

Says 2 gallons for 31.00

I might just get this

FUNX650
10-07-2013, 01:08 PM
Thanks guys.

Thoughts on D101?

Says 2 gallons for 31.00

I might just get this
Meguiar's makes good products.
That's a pretty good price for a couple gallons of concentrated APC.

This is considered to be a Professional product!!
Make sure to dilute appropriately and wear recommended PPE.


NOTE:
It does contain that much discussed 2-butoxyethanol.

http://www.meguiars.com/content/en/msds/D101%20MSDS.pdf

SECTION 2: INGREDIENTS
2-BUTOXYETHANOL....CAS#111-76-2...% 1-5



:)

Bob

PS: How do you feel about cleaning products containing SODIUM METASILICATE?