83 Porsche

[Als944]

Good morning Mike:

I would like to know if the new Cyclo polisher will work on my 1983 944 and what is the best product to use with it. The car is in show room condition with only 30,000 miles on it and garage kept. It needs to have the swirls taken out and brought to a car show quality finish! I don't think it has a clear coat from the factory. I also have newer cars that do have so what products would I use for them.
I have been wanting to get one of these for a long time and am now ready to purchase one today and get started. I use to buff it with a high speed buffer ebony polish.

Thanks
Al

PS next step is to come down to one of your classes!:dblthumb2:

[Mike Phillips]

Good morning Mike:

I would like to know if the new Cyclo polisher will work on my 1983 944 and what is the best product to use with it. The car is in show room condition with only 30,000 miles on it and garage kept.




Hi Al and welcome to AutogeekOnline! :welcome:

Sorry for the late reply, just finished cleaning the garage after last night's Extreme Marine Makeover.

24' Pro-Line Boat - Extreme Marine Makeover! (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/pictures-autogeek-s-car-week/69784-24-pro-line-boat-extreme-marine-makeover.html)

http://www.marine31online.com/gallery/data/522/2006_Proline_24_Supersport_Boat_Detailing_Class_02 3.jpg






It needs to have the swirls taken out and brought to a car show quality finish!

I don't think it has a clear coat from the factory.

I also have newer cars that do have so what products would I use for them.




I agree. My guess is it's a Glasurit Single Stage black paint system that will be soft and easy to correct and once you're finished it will look like a pool of black oil with crystal clear reflections just like a mirror.







I have been wanting to get one of these for a long time and am now ready to purchase one today and get started. I use to buff it with a high speed buffer ebony polish.

Thanks
Al



Cyclo makes great tools, no doubt about it. Besides a good tool, don't skimp on your polishes. I post this all the time and here I go again...

While some guys say technique is the most important factor when it comes to polishing paint, and by polishing I mean doing any type of correction or "polishing" work, the most important factor is actually the abrasive technology you use.

You can have the best technique in the world but if you're using products with archaic abrasive technology it doesn't matter how GREAT your technique is... you're results will still be lousy.

That said, being an old car with the original paint and single stage at that, (which is usually the softest paint there is to work on), I'd recommend getting the Wolfgang twins, that is the Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover and Wolfgang Finishing Glaze. Superb products that will work great on ANY paint system. Abrasive technology by Menzerna, a company that's been making abrasive polishes since cars have been around.


The Wolfgang Twins
Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 16 oz (http://www.autogeek.net/wolfgang-total-swirl-remover-car-polish-3-0.html)
Wolfgang Finishing Glaze 3.0 16 oz (http://www.autogeek.net/wolfgang-finishing-glaze-finishing-polish-3-0.html)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/719/IMG_6511.JPG


In simple terms...

The Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover is medium strength swirl mark remover that will tackle a majority of the cars that most people reading this will ever tackle.

The Wolfgang Finishing Glaze is a very light finishing polish that will refine the results created by the Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover and leave a clear, haze-free finish.


For most projects you would,


Step 1 - Wash and dry car

Step 2 - Inspect paint for above surface bonded contaminants
If discovered, use detailing clay to remove the contaminants, see this article.

Step 3 - Remover Swirls
At this step you would use the Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover

Step 4 - Polish to a high gloss
At this step you would use the Finishing Glaze

Step 5 - Seal and protect paint
At this step you would apply your LSP or Last Step Product, this could be a wax or a paint sealant. A popular choice that keeps you in the Wolfgang family would be to follow the Finishing Glaze with Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 (http://www.autogeek.net/wg5500.html)

Then if you want you can top the WDGPS with Wolfgang Fuzion (http://www.autogeek.net/wolfgang-fuzion-carnauba-polymer-car-wax.html).

This car had the above process used over the for a swirl free, show car finish.

1994 Porsche Detailed for "Operation Comfort" Modeled by Brittany from Stuart, Florida (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/26233-1994-porsche-detailed-operation-comfort-modeled-brittany.html)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/722/Yancylighting007.jpg








PS next step is to come down to one of your classes!:dblthumb2:



There are no other classes in the world like mine, I guarantee it.


My classes are held three times a year,

Last weekend of January
First weekend of May
Last weekend of September


:)

[statusdetailing]

I worked on a black 944 convertible a few weeks ago. It was a 91 and had single stage paint.

It was super soft but corrected very nicely. If I remember correctly I did a single step with m205 on a white pad and then sealed with Menzerna Power Lock.

I really love those cars.

I would take Mike's advice if you really want to take it to the next level!

Also, use very soft, plush microfibers. Because, it's a soft paint, it will be prone to marring and towel marks.

[Theostoubos]

Hello There,

Not trying to deviate you from Mike's solid advice... Just wanting to share with you my two days with this 1986 Black Porsche 944 Turbo and the results that I got.

I think it's a good little read.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/51394-i-had-document-one-late-introduction.html

PS : The whole car had a 2 stage (bc/cc) paint except the roof that was single stage.

It was interesting how I found out.

http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg560/theostoubos/Porsche%20%20944%20Turbo/SGEvidence.jpg

[Als944]

Hi Theo,

That looks amazing!!! well worth the read Thanks

[Als944]

Hi Al and welcome to AutogeekOnline! :welcome:

Sorry for the late reply, just finished cleaning the garage after last night's Extreme Marine Makeover.

24' Pro-Line Boat - Extreme Marine Makeover! (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/pictures-autogeek-s-car-week/69784-24-pro-line-boat-extreme-marine-makeover.html)

http://www.marine31online.com/gallery/data/522/2006_Proline_24_Supersport_Boat_Detailing_Class_02 3.jpg






I agree. My guess is it's a Glasurit Single Stage black paint system that will be soft and easy to correct and once you're finished it will look like a pool of black oil with crystal clear reflections just like a mirror.






Cyclo makes great tools, no doubt about it. Besides a good tool, don't skimp on your polishes. I post this all the time and here I go again...

While some guys say technique is the most important factor when it comes to polishing paint, and by polishing I mean doing any type of correction or "polishing" work, the most important factor is actually the abrasive technology you use.

You can have the best technique in the world but if you're using products with archaic abrasive technology it doesn't matter how GREAT your technique is... you're results will still be lousy.

That said, being an old car with the original paint and single stage at that, (which is usually the softest paint there is to work on), I'd recommend getting the Wolfgang twins, that is the Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover and Wolfgang Finishing Glaze. Superb products that will work great on ANY paint system. Abrasive technology by Menzerna, a company that's been making abrasive polishes since cars have been around.


The Wolfgang Twins
Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 16 oz (http://www.autogeek.net/wolfgang-total-swirl-remover-car-polish-3-0.html)
Wolfgang Finishing Glaze 3.0 16 oz (http://www.autogeek.net/wolfgang-finishing-glaze-finishing-polish-3-0.html)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/719/IMG_6511.JPG


In simple terms...

The Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover is medium strength swirl mark remover that will tackle a majority of the cars that most people reading this will ever tackle.

The Wolfgang Finishing Glaze is a very light finishing polish that will refine the results created by the Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover and leave a clear, haze-free finish.


For most projects you would,


Step 1 - Wash and dry car

Step 2 - Inspect paint for above surface bonded contaminants
If discovered, use detailing clay to remove the contaminants, see this article.

Step 3 - Remover Swirls
At this step you would use the Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover

Step 4 - Polish to a high gloss
At this step you would use the Finishing Glaze

Step 5 - Seal and protect paint
At this step you would apply your LSP or Last Step Product, this could be a wax or a paint sealant. A popular choice that keeps you in the Wolfgang family would be to follow the Finishing Glaze with Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 (http://www.autogeek.net/wg5500.html)

Then if you want you can top the WDGPS with Wolfgang Fuzion (http://www.autogeek.net/wolfgang-fuzion-carnauba-polymer-car-wax.html).

This car had the above process used over the for a swirl free, show car finish.

1994 Porsche Detailed for "Operation Comfort" Modeled by Brittany from Stuart, Florida (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/26233-1994-porsche-detailed-operation-comfort-modeled-brittany.html)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/722/Yancylighting007.jpg







There are no other classes in the world like mine, I guarantee it.


My classes are held three times a year,

Last weekend of January
First weekend of May
Last weekend of September


:)
Thank you Mike for the prompt response, I am just getting back from a long day! Do think that I will be happy with the Cyclo unit or would you recommend another type. FYI I am perfectionist and want the best possible finish.
So I have learned over the years is to get advice for something is to go to the person that is the best in that field and ask them what they would do if it was for themselves! I am a design builder and I always recommend products to my clients that I would only use if there house was mine and they cant thank me enough for the honesty and recommendation's.

Thanks again and I am looking forward to coming down hopefully in January to learn from the best!

AL Ebbole

[Theostoubos]

Hi Theo,

That looks amazing!!! well worth the read Thanks

Welcome.

There are so many good products out there that will get you where you want. SF4500 though is probably the best final polish out there. I highly recommend it.

Keep on reading and spot test before you start polishing the whole car.

Let me know if I can help you with something.

[Mike Phillips]

Thank you Mike for the prompt response, I am just getting back from a long day!

Do think that I will be happy with the Cyclo unit or would you recommend another type. FYI I am perfectionist and want the best possible finish.


So I have learned over the years is to get advice for something is to go to the person that is the best in that field and ask them what they would do if it was for themselves! I am a design builder and I always recommend products to my clients that I would only use if there house was mine and they cant thank me enough for the honesty and recommendation's.

Thanks again and I am looking forward to coming down hopefully in January to learn from the best!

AL Ebbole


Hi Al,

I get asked a lot about which tools are my favorites and here's the deal, I can get great results with any tool as long as I'm using products that use great abrasive technology.


Some guys say it's all about technique but I disagree.

Technique is important, of course, but if you have the best technique in the world but poor abrasive technology you're still going to get bad results.

In my first reply in this thread, (post #2), I said,


don't skimp on your polishes


And then recommended two that have a long time history of working great.


As for tools, you can get great results from the Cyclo polisher, I have a section on it in the second edition of my how-to book and here's a how-to article for the Cyclo.

How To Use The Cyclo Polisher (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/55560-how-use-cyclo-polisher.html)


I tend to use tools with a single buffing head over the dual buffing head Cyclo but that's how I started out in this industry.

I know guys that started out with Cyclos and they tend to stick with this tool for the same reason.

This is one of the reasons I like the classes I teach here at Autogeek. I get out ALL the tools and let everyone use them and then decide which tool works best for them.



:)