7424XP Counter weight

[WAXOFF]

Do I need to remove the counter weight to use a LC 3 inch backing plate or do I need another part # counter weight?

[theblob640]

As far as I know, the answer is no. I also wondered that when I saw it since the counter weight said use only 5" backing plate. But I have attached a 3" backing plate and used the DA with no problems at all.

[inDetail]

I wondered the same thing for a 3" plate. I have not seen 3" counterweights for PC

[erichaley]

No, but be careful with a 3" BP in tight areas as the shroud could potentially come in contact with the vehicle. Personally, I wouldn't go any smaller than a 3.5" BP and 4" pads on the PC 7424XP.

[WAXOFF]

Thanks for the advice. I saw the same thing where it said only use with 5". That's why I asked the question. Better safe that sorry. I have the LC 3 inch plate and Megs 3 " foam pads.

[erichaley]

Thanks for the advice. I saw the same thing where it said only use with 5". That's why I asked the question. Better safe that sorry. I have the LC 3 inch plate and Megs 3 " foam pads.

The statement imprinted on the counterweight only relates to sanding discs.

Do 3" BPs and pads work? Sure, but I'd rather play it safe and use a GG3 or something else where there isn't the risk. A $99 GG3 is cheaper than fixing a whoops!

I've learned the hard way that things can go wrong when you least expect them to. I'll post some pictures I took of a 3" BP on a PC 7424XP.

[erichaley]

Here you go:

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=614&pictureid=3548

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=614&pictureid=3547

Notice you can't even see the BP at it's furthest point:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=614&pictureid=3546

[BillE]

The statement imprinted on the counterweight only relates to sanding discs.

Do 3" BPs and pads work? Sure, but I'd rather play it safe and use a GG3 or something else where there isn't the risk. A $99 GG3 is cheaper than fixing a whoops!

I've learned the hard way that things can go wrong when you least expect them to. I'll post some pictures I took of a 3" BP on a PC 7424XP.

Exactly!

Bill

[Mike Phillips]

The statement imprinted on the counterweight only relates to sanding discs.




Sanding discs = Thin

Foam pads = Thick, even thin foam pads are thicker than a thin sanding disc for sanding wood.

Here's the history of how the Porter Cable came to be a "paint polisher" and this would include all the similar knock-offs of the Porter Cable which started the DA Paint Polishing craze...


The Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assembly - The Story Behind The Story... (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/23995-free-rotating-spindle-assembly-story-behind-story.html)



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A reply from Porter Cable taken from page 9 of this thread,
Griots Garage ROP vs PC 7424XP (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/20316-griots-random-vs-7424xp-9.html)



I recently fielded our collective question about what the industry term might be for the 'mechanism':


My question to Porter-Cable
What is the mechanism called that causes the polisher to stop rotation when excessive pressure is exerted upon it?

Some of us are having a discussion on an online auto detailing forum and I incorrectly referred to the mechanism as a 'clutch' (such as my drill has). I'd like to clarify this for the sake of accuracy.

Thanks."



Porter-Cable's reply
Dear James, we believe the following information addresses your inquiry. The pad itself may stop rotating temporarily with excessive pressure, because it is mounted into a free-floating Spindle Bearing Assembly. However the overall mechanism is fixed & therefore never stops orbiting when the machine is running, unless something is damaged or worn.


So there you have it. I guess our 'mechanism' is called a "free-floating Spindle Bearing Assembly"




Thank you to MisterShark for taking the initiative to contact Porter Cable and get their definition, explanation and description of how the mechanism works that makes the Porter Cable DA Polishers both safe, effective and unique.

Note the Meguiar's versions and the Griot's Garage Versions of the Porter Cable Polisher use a similar design, that is these two other polishers also use a Free Floating Spindle Assembly.


In the below pictures, I'm pointing to what's referred to as the Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assembly of a Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher.

Porter Cable 7424XP with the Backing Plate Removed Exposing the
Counterweight and Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assembly
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/794/FreeRotatingSpingleAssembley003.jpg

Close-up
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/794/FreeRotatingSpingleAssembley004.jpg



From Hand to Machine
In the last 15 to 20 years a lot of people have made the switch from working by hand to working by machine because it's faster and more effective, especially on modern day clear coat paints.


Clear Coat Paints Are Scratch-Sensitive
Modern clear coat paints last longer than traditional single stage paints like the lacquers and enamels that were used to paint cars from the time the Model T was introduced till the early 1980's. In the early 1980's car manufactures began switching over to a new paint system called Basecoat/Clearcoat where the color coat or pigmented layer of paint is sprayed onto the car first and then a layer of clear paint is sprayed over the top of the color coat. Besides being a different approach, the resin used to make the paint changed also.


Longer Lasting
The results are paints that resist oxidation, (oxidation was a huge problem with single stage paints), and last much longer over the service life of the vehicle as compared to single stage paints.


Scratch-Sensitive = Easily Scratched = Eyesore
The problem is people confuse last longer with look good longer and these are two very different things. A modern clear coat finish can last a long time but that doesn't mean it will look good over this period of time. You see clear coat paints are scratch-sensitive, that means even though they tend to be harder than traditional single stage lacquers and enamels, they still scratch very easily and the swirls and scratches show up easily to our eyes because the scratches tend to be opaque or whitish in color and because of this, the colored or pigmented layer reveals and even showcases the swirls and scratches to your eyes making the finish on your car an eyesore in the sun.


The practical differences between single stage paints and a clear coat paints (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/21924-practical-differences-between-single-stage-paints-clear-coat-paints.html)

Early 1965 Mustang with single stage paint and a modern Mustang with a basecoat/clear coat finish
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/719/1965.jpghttp://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/719/NewMustang.jpg




Frustration with clearcoat paints
Now let me tie this back to why machine polishing has become so much more popular since clear coat paints were introduced.

As more and more cars being manufactured made their way into the market, as car owners, or in other words, do-it-yourselfers, would try the traditional methods of removing defects out of the paint, that is with traditional rubbing and polishing compounds, they would find that most of these products may remove defects but leave their own defects in the paint at the same time.

Not only that, but because generally speaking, modern clear coats are harder than single stage paints, the energy, time and skill required to actually remove defects out of clear coat paints increased dramatically, and in fact increased to the point that many people attempting to remove defects and restore a shine like their car had when they bought it brand new, left most people feeling frustrated and their cars no better off than when they started and often times worse.


Enter the Porter Cable DA Sander
That's right, I said sander! The Porter Cable Dual Action Sander is the tool that became the Tipping Point that was the driving force behind the average person switching from working by hand to working by machine.


The Porter Cable Dual Action Sander with Wood Dust Collecting Attachment for Sanding Wood
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/794/portercableSANDER.jpg



Sanding the old finish off using a Porter Cable Dual Action Sander
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/715/2SandingDesk2.jpg



The exact same tool only outfitted with a foam polishing pad for machine polishing automotive clear coat paints
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/794/PorterCable7424XP.jpg



The story behind the story...
Here's why the Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher switched people from working by hand to working by machine

1) Safe - Uses a Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assembly for a drive mechanism

2) Faster - Faster and more effective at removing swirls compared to working by hand

Safe - Uses a Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assembly for a drive mechanism
This in my opinion, is the key feature that gave the average person the confidence to work on their car's paint by machine. The biggest fear people have about using a machine to polish their car's paint is the fear of burning though the paint or instilling swirls.

The Porter Cable Dual Action Sander overcomes these problems by using what we now refer to as a Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assembly. This is a unique drive mechanism that will rotate and oscillate a buffing pad at the same time enabling the user to remove swirls, water spots and scratches while at the same time if too much pressure is applied to the buffing pad or if it's held on edge or on top of a body line the pad will simply stop rotating thus prevent the pad from harming the paint.

Faster and more effective at removing swirls compared to working by hand
Besides being safe, it goes without saying that the speed and effectiveness were and still are very important reasons that people accustomed to working by hand switch over to working by machine. Typically, as a person uses the Internet to do research on how to remove swirls out of there car's clear coat finish they discover these things called discussion forums and after a little targeted reading they learn about the Porter Cable Dual Action polisher, commonly referred to as the DA Polisher.

To see how safe these tools really are, check out this video where I place extreme pressure to the back of my hand using a Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher

Pushing down as hard as I can (http://www.palmbeachmotoring.net/ascg-videos/porter-2-15-10-sc.html)
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/824/FreeRotatingSpindleAssembleyScreenShot01.jpg (http://www.palmbeachmotoring.net/ascg-videos/porter-2-15-10-sc.html)



That's the story behind the story as to why Dual Action Polishers like the Porter Cable 7424XP (http://www.autogeek.net/dual-action-polishers.html), the Meguiar's G110v2 (http://www.autogeek.net/meguiars-dual-action-polisher-g110.html) and the Griot's Garage ROP (http://www.autogeek.net/griots-random-orbital-polisher.html) have become so popular.


Yesterday's Trend... Today's Norm...
Today, DA Polishers are the most popular tool among do-it-yourselfers crossing over from working by hand to working by machine. Many Professional Detailers also use the DA Polisher for their follow-up polishing steps after using a rotary buffer to do the major correction work. These tools are the easiest tools to learn how to use and so safe that even my son Rand is able to operate one safely on Nate Truman's 1966 Batmobile Recreation.

Photo courtesy of LacViet Photography
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/715/medium/RandBuffingBatmobile1.jpg


So if you're still working by hand... check out the dual action polisher and see if you're ready to move up to machine polishing.


Video Resources
How to remove swirls, scratches and water spots using a DA Polisher (http://www.palmbeachmotoring.net/ascg-videos/porter-2-20-10.html)


Dual Action Polishers that use Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assemblies

Porter Cable 7424XP (http://www.autogeek.net/dual-action-polishers.html)
4.5 AMP
500 Watt Motor
5 pounds
3 Year Limited Warranty - 1 Year Free Service - 90 Days Money Back


Griot's Garage Random Orbital Polisher (http://www.autogeek.net/griots-random-orbital-polisher.html)
7.0 AMP
850 Watt Motor
5.5 pounds
Griot's Lifetime Warranty


Griot's Garage 3" Mini Polisher (http://www.autogeek.net/griots-orbital-polisher.html)
2.0 AMP
240 Watt Motor
Griot's Lifetime Warranty


Meguiar's G110v2 (http://www.autogeek.net/meguiars-dual-action-polisher-g110.html)
4.2 AMP
430 Watt Motor
5 pounds
1 Year Limited Warranty



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The below is an excerpt taken from this article...

How to choose the right polisher for your detailing project (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/22263-how-choose-right-polisher-your-detailing-project.html)

Dual Action Polishers With Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assemblies
Ease of Use Ranking: 1

These are without a doubt the easiest electric polisher to learn how to use and master in the shortest amount of time. The biggest benefit is they are absolutely user friendly in that because of their free rotating spindle assemblies you can't burn through the paint nor can you instill swirls as long as you're using DA approved pads and products and of course good technique with a little common sense.

They are lightweight, easy to control and easy to use on both horizontal panels as well as vertical panels.

They are versatile in that you can use them to remove swirls, polish paint to a high gloss, apply a wax or paint sealant and even use them to remove the wax or paint sealant after it's dried.

If you've always used your hand to take care of your car's paint or a Traditional Orbital Buffer, then a DA Polisher is a great next step in your detailing evolution.

Commonly referred to as Dual Action Polishers or DA style polishers, these polishers are great for,


People new to machine polishing
People looking for a safe, but more powerful polisher as compared to a Traditional Orbital Buffer (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/moderators/22196-tob-traditional-orbital-buffer-aka-wax-spreader.html)
People who only take care of their own car or their family's cars.
Anyone wanting to start a part-time or full-time detailing business
Anyone with a detailing business that wants to add a DA Style polisher to their arsenal.
People that work in body shops looking for a tool to insure swirl free finish.
Teenage boys and girls interested in the detailing hobby
Boat owners looking for a better way to maintain their boat
RV owners looking for a better and faster way to maintain their RVs
Airplane owners looking for a safer, faster way to maintain their airplane's finish
Dual Action Polishers are both great entry level polishers and tools seasoned professionals use to create a true, swirl-free, show car finish.

There's lots of options when it comes to designs, sizes and types of buffing pads for these tools with new pads being introduced all the time.

All the DA Polishers offered by Autogeek.net are quality tools that will help you to maintain your cars better and faster.


DA Polishers with Free Floating Spindle Bearing Assemblies

From left to right...
Porter Cable 7424XP - Meguiar's G110v2 - Griot's Garage ROP - Griot's Garage 3" Mini Polisher
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/740/FreeRotatingSpindleAssemblies001.jpg

Close-ups...
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/740/FreeRotatingSpindleAssemblies002.jpghttp://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/740/FreeRotatingSpindleAssemblies003.jpg
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/740/FreeRotatingSpindleAssemblies004.jpghttp://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/740/FreeRotatingSpindleAssemblies005.jpg


Not only are Dual Action Polishers a great way to transition over from working by hand to working by machine, you can take care of your own cars, trucks, s.u.v.'s, boats, motorhomes and just about anything with paint on it. You can also start a part-time detailing business and recoup your investment after detailing only a few cars .

Check out our forum for making money detailing cars...

How to earn money detailing cars... (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-make-money-detailing-cars/)

:)

[WAXOFF]

WOW,I didn't expect to hear from "The Man" himself Mike Phillips. Thanks for the detailed reply. That's what I like about this forum. No one acts like they are better than someone else and everyone pitches in to solve a problem.