CG Honeydew with Gilmour Foamaster

[theblob640]

Hello all, did a quick search but didn't seem to find exactly what I was looking for. I am currently using CG Honeydew as my maintenance wash shampoo along with the Gilmour Foamaster. Do you guys pour the shampoo straight into the foam gun container or dilute it with water in the container and at what dilution if so? It seems as though every time I finish washing the car, the slickness of my sealant coated car seems to be not as slick as the previous wash. Also, at what dial setting do you guys use on the gun.

Recommended dilution on the bottle seems to be 1/2oz/2 gal of water if i remember correctly but a setting of 1oz/4gal isn't one of the options on the gun.

Sealant i use is Meguair's M21.

Looking forward to your responses.

[spiralout462]

I'm pretty sure people dilute the shampoo in the container on the gun. I don't have one so I can't recommend a ratio.

[Boudin]

I've always diluted whatever car wash I use in my Gilmour . I put 3oz and fill the rest with water. Definitely don't fill it all up with soap.

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[jdmj0]

I have the quart size and generally, I keep it on the E setting (12oz/gal), which equates to about 3oz of product and fill the rest with water.

To make sure that you don't sud over before screwing the top on, I just fill the container with water just slightly before the brim, and pour in 3oz of product before closing it. I then give it a small shake and go to spray. Lasts me an entire wash.

[Infiniti]

You will dilute it with water. I usually put one ounce of cw&g and then fill the rest with water. I use 1 oz to gallon for car and less for my truck. It may take you a while to find the consistency that you want but you will.

[Dimetera413]

FWIW, I never think that my car is as slick as the previous wash unless I use CG Glossworkz. I think it's the best gloss enhancing shampoo out there. There are other good ones too, but GW just seems to look and feel better after every maintenance wash. Glossworkz in a Gilmour might be pretty effective, it has an amazing amount of lubricity.

[Shortspark]

I posted this here a time or two and it might help you. The Honeydew should ratio out like the examples given in the quote below for CG shampoos. I found this posted at another forum some time ago. As always, consider what someone else says to be a guide and experiment on your own. The figures the author presented here makes sense and the ratios achieved are absolute (in math terms) but of course your results might vary:

"Since Gemini suggested that we have a thread dedicated to foam gun ratios, I figured I'd volunteer my time for it (hey I'm on summer break and I love helping everyone at DB). However, I'll only be offering what I know for my Gilmour Foamaster II #95QGFMR.

The particular Gilmour model I have has a multi-ratio dial with 5 mixing head settings. All these settings/specifications can be seen at the Gilmour website for your own personal reference.

The most common used setting, at least for me anyways, has always been the C setting with an output volume of 4 oz./gal. In most cases car wash shampoos suggest having 1 oz of car wash shampoo added for every gallon of water. Initially you might ask, why not just keep it simple and use the A setting where its output volume is 1 oz./gal? The answer is the foam gun is not capable of sucking such a viscous liquid through its siphon tube. Now I can not attest to whether this is true or not but I don't dare try it myself. However, there is the exception with some of those cheaper car wash shampoos in which they are pretty watery (and probably not great car wash shampoos altogether).

There's also the B setting (2 oz./gal.) which can be used as well but just remember that your shampoo mixture may still be too viscous for the foam gun to handle. One nice thing about the B setting though is that you will not be required to refill as often as you would as the C, D, or E settings.

Since I mentioned the D and E settings, I will say that these settings are definitely not ideal. Their output flow, 6 oz./gal. and 12 oz./gal. respectively, is just too fast and will require a lot of refilling! For me, these are simply not an option almost all the time but perhaps maybe it is for others. I won't even bother with the E setting as it's just not practical for me but I will mention the one occasion in which the D setting is actually useful later. Anyway, on to the hard numbers!

We'll start with the most common dilution, 1 oz of car wash shampoo to 1 gallon of water. The 95GQFMR is a quart container which is the equivalent of 32 oz. At the C setting, we have an output flow of 4 oz./gal. Now in essence, we want 1 oz of that 4 oz./gal. flow to be car wash shampoo and in order to achieve that, we must have a 3:1 ratio in the 95GFQFMR container. So how do you do that? It's pretty simple. You add 8 oz of car wash shampoo and 24 oz of water so that your ratio comes out to 3:1. So what if you want to use the B setting? Sure, that can be done. Your ratio will then effectively be 2:2 or 1:1 and you will be adding 16 oz of car wash shampoo and 16 oz of water. The only concern with using the B setting is whether or not your mixed solution will be soluble enough to be sucked up through the siphon tube and provide the proper volume output. Of course as I mentioned before, the B setting will require less refilling than using the C setting which is nice.

Ok, so what about car wash shampoos such as Chemical Guys Citrus Wash & Gloss? Well, they have 2 different dilutions for separate applications. There is one dilution that is ideal for the weekly wash in which 1/2 oz of CWG is required for every 2 gallons of water or 1/4 oz of CWG for every gallon of water. There's also the paint cleanser dilution which is 2 oz of CWG for every gallon of water.

In order to achieve the proper dilution for CWG as a weekly wash, we need 1/4 oz of car wash shampoo for every gallon of water. Now this gets a little tricky with the 95QGFMR and I may lose you in its translation. Since our previous dilutions have been 1 oz of car wash shampoo to 1 gallon of water, we need to figure out what setting we'll be using before we dive further into the numbers.

If we want to go with the most common C setting, the short answer is we divide by 4. Now if we divide our original 8 oz of car wash shampoo by 4, that gives us 2 oz of car wash shampoo and leaves us with the remaining 30 oz of the 95QGFMR to be filled with water. To fully understand how this calculates out, we have to remember that at the C setting we are outputting at a rate of 4 oz./gal and we want 1/4 oz./gal. If you think about it, 2 oz of car wash shampoo to 30 oz of water is simply 30:2 or 15:1. However, we are still at a ratio to 1 and what we really want is to 1/4 or .25 in order to understand the numbers in a simpler form. To keep it fairly simple, we divide both sides of the ratio (15:1) by 4 which gives us 3.75:.25. Well what do you know, these two numbers add up to a total of 4, meaning 4 oz, which also meets our requirement of 4 oz./gal. output flow.

So what if you want to use the B setting? It's pretty simple. Just use 4 oz of CWG and 28 oz of water, with the ratios working out as follows (keep in mind these are all equivalents): 28:4 -> 14:2 -> 7:1 -> 3.5:.5. -> 1.75:.25.

Okay, now that's out of the way. What if you want to use it as a paintwork cleanser? So it's 2 oz of car wash shampoo to 1 gallon of water. Ok, simple enough but it's doubtful that you'll be using the B setting for this one. Essentially if you do decide to use the B setting you'll have to fill the entire container with solid CWG, non-diluted. As I mentioned before, the 95GQFMR will not be likely to successfully suck this viscous liquid through it's siphon tube. So C setting it is and it's simple. You need 2 oz of car wash shampoo for every gallon of water and at the C setting we have an output flow of 4 oz./gal. Essentially, we just need a 1:1 ratio here, 16 oz of CWG and 16 oz of water. Now if that mixture may be too viscous still (I haven't tried it myself yet), this would probably be the only occasion in which the D setting would be feasible, IMO. At the D setting we have an output flow of 6 oz./gal. which would mean that in order to achieve a 2 oz of car wash shampoo for every gallon of water, we'd need a 2:1 ratio, which roughly comes out to 11 oz of CWG and 21 oz of water (the ratio isn't exactly 2:1).

Ok so that was a lot of reading (if some of you actually read it all) but below you will find the short and sweet version for your reference. I'll continue to add to it if need be. I hope my English was structured well enough to understand, LoL. Either way, I hope it helps out some of the fellow foam gun users who are still new to its dilution ratios or just need some refreshing of their memory. Enjoy!

Gilmour Foamaster II #95GQFMR
Any car wash soap at 1 oz per gallon of water
C setting - 8 oz of any car wash soap + 24 oz of water
B setting - 16 oz of any car wash soap + 16 oz of water

Chemical Guys Citrus Wash & Gloss at 1/4 oz per gallon of water (weekly wash), also applies to Citrus Wash & Clear and Maxi Suds II
C setting - 2 oz of CWG/CWC/MSII + 30 oz of water
B setting - 4 oz of CWG/CWC/MSII + 28 oz of water

Chemical Guys Citrus Wash & Gloss at 2 oz per gallon of water (paintwork cleanser)
C setting - 16 oz of CWG + 16 oz of water
D setting - 11 oz CWG + 21 oz of water

Detailer's Pride Xtreme Foam at .4 oz per gallon of water
C setting - 3.2 oz of DPXF + 28.8 oz of water
B setting - 6.4 oz of DPXF + 25.6 oz of water

Detailer's Pride Xtreme Foam at .5 oz per gallon of water (for simplicity and/or rounder numbers)
C setting - 4 oz of DPXF + 28 oz of water
B setting - 8 oz of DPXF + 24 oz of water"

[theblob640]

thanks all for all the great advice. I have tried putting the shampoo as is straight into the container with a good amount of suds. Currently I dilute it (still playing around with ratios) and they seem to produce more suds. I will try the suggestions on these posts and see which one works best.

[y8s]

I just picked up a foamaster II and was curious how much soap you REALLY go through for a single car wash. For example, if you set the dial on "C" and go to town, will it drain it before you get the whole car foamed?

[theblob640]

I just picked up a foamaster II and was curious how much soap you REALLY go through for a single car wash. For example, if you set the dial on "C" and go to town, will it drain it before you get the whole car foamed?

While playing around with ratios/knob adjustments, when I tried the E setting (12oz/gal) I still had 1/4 left over (original amount was filled to the part of the container where it starts to concave inward). This is when I used it on my Charger. On bigger cars I would have almost close to nothing. I hope you like it, I certainly enjoy using it.:xyxthumbs: