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Always Learning
01-28-2013, 04:38 PM
Gel Coat Oxidization Removal - How much to charge? (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/boat-rv-detailing/59962-gel-coat-oxidization-removal-how-much-charge.html)


I've been asked to quote on what the owner feels will be a basic polish on a 27 foot boat. The owner says that it isn't badly oxidized and won't need compounding so I gave him a ballpark quote based on this. It's been kept under a roof most summers and stored inside off season.

I'll be seeing the boat in person this week I believe. I've never done a boat before.

Do you think it will need compounding? I'll provide more info (age etc) of boat when I know more. I don't know the 'rules of thumb' for boats. How can I judge when I first look - without a test spot - so I can tell my customer more accurately how much I need to charge.

If you compound a boat, do you normally follow up with a dual action to clean it up some more like a car? I'm guessing the same rules apply.

Everything I've read is telling me that my Flex 3401 isn't enough? If it can be done with the 3401, what will make it fastest and best.

Is it much different doing a boat, I can see it may be more of a pain in tight areas.

I'm guessing 2 days work for this - am I close?

I probably have many more questions, so feel free to make suggestions regarding pads, cutting and polish recommendations etc etc.

Thank,

Doug

rmagnus
01-28-2013, 09:12 PM
When they say it will not need compounding thaat's a sure clue it will need compounding. I'd suggest having a RB and wool pads in your arsenal as recommended.

primo spaghetti
01-28-2013, 09:29 PM
my opinion only, but the gel will oxidize whether under a roof, under a tarp or in the water...it will be all chalky and i dont have to see it.

Again, its just my opinion, you'll never make it without a rotary and wool pads...

wanabe detailer
01-28-2013, 10:48 PM
Just did my Bass boat with my PC and CG Phase V and it came out nice.

DCOutdoors
01-29-2013, 06:04 AM
First suggestion: Don't take their word for the oxidation. If they say no oxidation, expect low to medium. Light oxidation... medium to heavy!

Second suggestion: use a rotary buffer and wool pads. Gel coat is a lot harder than clear coat.

Third: if you are really unsure, bring the buffer with you along with some cleaner wax and compound. Do a test spot which will impress them and show you how oxidized it really is. Start with the one-step cleaner wax. If it does a great job, good - you can do the boat in one pass. Compound requires more.

Fourth: be real clear about what they want and what you are doing. Is this from the waterline to rub rails? Does it include topside? Are you cleaning the hull?

Finally: if they have not had their boat professionally cleaned in the past, bring a mattress so they don't hurt themselves when they pass out from the price! Make sure to quote your price like you've quoted it a thousand times and know you are right.

primo spaghetti
01-29-2013, 07:47 AM
Just did my Bass boat with my PC and CG Phase V and it came out nice.

not really a fair comparison to a 42 foot boat.

Mike Phillips
01-29-2013, 07:57 AM
I've been asked to quote on what the owner feels will be a basic polish on a 27 foot boat. The owner says that it isn't badly oxidized and won't need compounding so I gave him a ballpark quote based on this. It's been kept under a roof most summers and stored inside off season.

I probably have many more questions, so feel free to make suggestions regarding pads, cutting and polish recommendations etc etc.

Thank,

Doug


Here's a tip Doug...


Instead of tagging your questions onto a thread from last year, (which can cause some confusion), start a "Dedicated Thread".

That is start your own thread and this will give your project all the dedicated attention it deserves.

Also give your thread a good title so people will know exactly what you're working on and what you need help with.

See these two articles I wrote here for the expressed purpose of helping people to help themselves better on forums....

A tip to help yourself get great answers when you start a thread (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/tips-techniques-how-articles-interacting-discussion-forums/29344-tip-help-yourself-get-great-answers-when-you-start-thread.html)

How to write a good title for your thread (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/introduce-yourself/20306-how-write-good-title-your-post.html)




Also, if you like I can move your post and all the other follow-up posts to a "dedicated thread" for you.


Just let me know what you want for a title.


:)

Always Learning
01-29-2013, 12:30 PM
Great comments and suggestions from everyone, all much appreciated.


Sorry for Hijacking this thread!

Thanks for the tips Mike and please go ahead and create new thread. For a thread title, how about "Gel Coat Oxidization Removal Advice Needed" ?

Mike Phillips
01-29-2013, 12:53 PM
There you go buddy...


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Mike Phillips
01-29-2013, 12:55 PM
When they say it will not need compounding thaat's a sure clue it will need compounding. I'd suggest having a RB and wool pads in your arsenal as recommended.


I agree.

Don't give an estimate until you are standing in front of the boat with the owner.


That's a whole lot of buffing to do. I'll see of my buddy Paul aka Sailfish can chime in, he buffs out a lot of boats here in the Stuart area.



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Sailfish
01-29-2013, 02:43 PM
Doug,

Mike asked me to chime in on this,

27 foot boat out of the water on a trailer? Or on a rack / boatel?

If it is just wax no compound I would charge 15 a foot. That would include a wash, hand wipe dry and wax. I use Collinite 925, make sure you mix it well, ( I pour off into a bowl and mix it or in some cases you have lumps in the wax).

Now if it need compounding you need to add to the price,

Light compounding on a 27 footer is about $21.00 per ft. (this includes Wax)

Heavy compounding on a 27 footer is about $26.00 per ft. (this includes Wax)

Now this is for a simple center console boat. If you have a cabin or cuddy then I add about $4.00 per ft for that also.

Motor does the cowl need wax (yes), and the shaft (yes). Outboard only $10.00 -$20.00 depends on if they need to be touched up any.

Now how to tell if you need to compound.

I take the bottle of wax and put in on the side of the boat (bottom of bottle to side of boat) If I can see the print on the bottle clearly then wax only.

If it is hazed but I can still make out the bottle and the print Light compounding. (very very light chalk on hand to none)

If I can not get a reflection or very poor reflection, chalky hand when wiped over surface then heavy compound.

Rotary and wool at a low speed with lots of product, gel coat sucks up product. 2' x 2' sections and take your time. Work out of the sun and what ever product you use make sure that you wipe it off well before you wax.

A note on Collinite wax also work small area at a time 2' x 2', it wipes off easier that way.

Good luck, a car will fell like a walk in the park after you do this boat.

Mike Phillips
01-29-2013, 02:53 PM
Doug,

Mike asked me to chime in on this,



Thanks Paul... you da man! Im the MAN





Good luck, a car will feel like a walk in the park after you do this boat.




Priceless info and this last comment is oh so true...



Thanks again Paul...



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Always Learning
01-29-2013, 09:16 PM
The people here on this forum are the best!


I'm getting the message loud and clear - rotary with wool pads!


David: Great tip on doing a test spot to show what can be done with the one step and let the owner judge from themselves.


If it needs compounding - and he's willing to pay for the extra step, I'll look into a rotary. Otherwise, the feeling I'm getting is he's not willing to pay enough to make it worthwhile for me to pick up a rotary just for a one step so I may have to give it a pass. (I'd like one anyway but can't justify it at this time - unless I can find used.)



Mike - I've always looked up to and appreciate you taking the time to help me out.


Paul - amazing information, it's really giving me a perspective on how enormous this job really is. (love the website btw)


Sorry not much info about the job - boat is indoors in a warehouse.


More info to come Thursday.


Cheers!

Sailfish
01-29-2013, 10:41 PM
Doug,

Good luck and you are right you can always say no, some people just don't know what the jobs we do cost to do right. You can always pick up a cheap rotary or rent one at a tool rental place for this job, then invest in a good rotary from AG with your proceeds.

Paul

rmagnus
01-29-2013, 11:19 PM
Paul (Sailfish) awesome info. I've seen your posts before on boat detailing but I thought I'd finaly say thank you.

Doug eEven picking up a Harbor Freight Rotary (cheap $40) it will get you thrugh this detail. Get a few pads and remember rake to clean the pads assuming you don't have a pad cleaner. Guess in a pinch a screwdriver will work but be careful very careful if you go this route.

Last suggestion is maybe borrowing a rotary buffer if you know someone in your area.