CM8 6MT
01-14-2013, 05:27 AM
Since many of my friends on here have recently posted great results from recent details, I figured its time toshow off some of my own. Using 2 of the most underrated products IMO on the market today...M205 & M21 :dblthumb2:
Below I'm going to show a hood, fender & door correction on my San Marino Red 05 Accord V6 6MT, using only M205. Because I work such a busy schedule as is, I don't have the time a day to fully correct my entire car at once. Which is why I only have a few pics.
Now before we start, your probably wondering M205? The 1-2 punch of M105/M205 works well for many people. The problem I see is that for the average detailer doesn't have the skill to MAXIMIZE the potential of M105/M205 let alone M205 by itself. It's labeled as an Ultra Finishing Polish. What I absolutely love about Meguiar's products is that they are so versatile, by upgrading to a more aggressive pad, and with a little bit of SKILL you can turn M205 from a Ultra Finishing Polish to a great cutting polish that finishes down to a high gloss finish. Other brands work great, but I find that you often require 2 or more products to achieve what M205 can do on its OWN. Paint type, pads & skill (especially skill) play a huge role. I have a saying that I live by, and that is "A product is only as good as the user using them"-CM8 6MT. That applies to everything from your DA, pad type, condition of pad, arm movement etc. IMO people dont take in consideration talent & skill when it comes to detailing. You cant expect your DA & product to make magic happen for you, you gotta guide it yourself and make it happen. Thats like driving a sports car, and wiping out in a tight turn. The car didnt wipe out, YOU did. Enough talk, lets get down to business.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/meguiars_205_quart_zps376a7b37.jpg
Below is a fender shot. Fairly swirled. The previous owner did not use proper washing techniques obviously.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/photo_x.jpg
Heres a shot of the hood. These type of swirls are basically all over the car. The hood though, is by far the worst of all panels.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/hoodshot_swirl_zps87c34d0f.jpg
Ill be using a GG6 with a Meguiar's Yellow cutting pad
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/gg6_zps0ea3ac71.jpg
Below is an after shot of the fender, fully corrected. Take note though, that I did this using a GRAY LC pad, which is known for little to no cutting ability. Merely using M205 on its own. It did take me 6-7 passes however, VS the yellow cutting pad which only took 3-4 passes. I have two light sources on it, an LED light and a standup light I have in my garage.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/photo_1.jpg
Below is a picture of my hood, as you can see it came out nice. This however was done with a yellow cutting pad.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/photo_2.jpg
Now that where done correcting, lets get ready to seal. For this I chose M21.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/m21_zpsdb18f049.jpg
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/m21_1_zps1d13b175.jpg
The second most underrated product IMO. What about NXT 2.0? Many dont know that M21 2.0 is the "professional" version of the sealant with minor differences. While many people disregard OTC products and have the false impression that they are somehow "inferior" to other brands merely because they are available OTC , the opposite couldn't be any more true. NXT 2.0 is M21, with the exception that NXT has a stronger berry smell, very mild cleaners, a "cool" looking bottle and not recommended to use with a Rotary. M21 on the other hand, is purple in color, has a very slight berry scent and a slightly thicker formula. It is also designed to be used with a Rotary if desired. I cant count how many threads I read of M21 or NXT "streaking". This is because non-experienced detailers apply it too thick. The same type of people that think M07 is a pain to remove, when in fact its not. If you dont have access to M21, pick up a bottle of NXT. I personally prefer M21, just because I like the color, slight scent and most of my products from Megs are the pro line anyway.
Meguiar's made a great job of marketing by designing this NXT bottle to appeal to the average joe. All in all, NXT is derived from M21.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/m21nxt_zpsfa5ce53c.jpg
Even as far as calling NXT a wax when in fact its a sealant, to appeal to the average joe.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/sealants_zps7c7ad065.jpg
The Results
Heres my hood. It was early in the morning, and theres a tree next to my driveway so no sun shots for this one.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/hoodshot_zpsf14647f5.jpg
Below is a shot of my door. Full sun early morning. Do take note, those 2 lines at the top of my door are NOT scratches. They are airplane trails in the sky. I sent this picture to a friend, and he replied back "did someone scratch your car?" That was great.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/doorshot_1_zps38a97f63.jpg
What about for all you water breading freaks? Hows this? After 3 weeks on a cloudy rainy day, its holding up well.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/hoodshot3_zps81818d32.jpg
While not an indication of protection, this does show a great example of the beading ability of M21. I can drive the car and the water will just slide right off. Durability you ask? Im in the business of making MY car look its best. If I was concerned about durability, I'd slap on some Collinite 845 and call it a day.
So there you have it folks, just a little example of the type of work you can achieve with 2 products. No need for expensive German polishes, no need for 50-60-70-100+ dollar LSP's. Some detailers like to follow up M205 with Menzerna 4500 (P085RD), but IME, the difference is very very small, if at all only measurable with a digital gloss meter. The extra step would be worthy if you where doing a show car, but for my daily driver...looks descent enough right?
My main goal of this thread was to show people that you have to maximize the potential of your product to its FULLEST capability.
Sure, Honda paint is known to be "soft", yet I read thread after thread of it supposedly hazing or marring on them. Again, not every paint type is the same, and just because a particular car brand is known to be "soft", doesnt mean YOURS will be the same. Do a test spot. Test spot sucks? Consider your technique.
Let me know what you guys think. Stay tuned gentleman...M21 VS Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0. Will you be able to tell the difference? Find out when I put these two head to head. Coming soon.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/m21vswg_zpsabfbe4a6.jpg
Feed back please
Below I'm going to show a hood, fender & door correction on my San Marino Red 05 Accord V6 6MT, using only M205. Because I work such a busy schedule as is, I don't have the time a day to fully correct my entire car at once. Which is why I only have a few pics.
Now before we start, your probably wondering M205? The 1-2 punch of M105/M205 works well for many people. The problem I see is that for the average detailer doesn't have the skill to MAXIMIZE the potential of M105/M205 let alone M205 by itself. It's labeled as an Ultra Finishing Polish. What I absolutely love about Meguiar's products is that they are so versatile, by upgrading to a more aggressive pad, and with a little bit of SKILL you can turn M205 from a Ultra Finishing Polish to a great cutting polish that finishes down to a high gloss finish. Other brands work great, but I find that you often require 2 or more products to achieve what M205 can do on its OWN. Paint type, pads & skill (especially skill) play a huge role. I have a saying that I live by, and that is "A product is only as good as the user using them"-CM8 6MT. That applies to everything from your DA, pad type, condition of pad, arm movement etc. IMO people dont take in consideration talent & skill when it comes to detailing. You cant expect your DA & product to make magic happen for you, you gotta guide it yourself and make it happen. Thats like driving a sports car, and wiping out in a tight turn. The car didnt wipe out, YOU did. Enough talk, lets get down to business.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/meguiars_205_quart_zps376a7b37.jpg
Below is a fender shot. Fairly swirled. The previous owner did not use proper washing techniques obviously.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/photo_x.jpg
Heres a shot of the hood. These type of swirls are basically all over the car. The hood though, is by far the worst of all panels.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/hoodshot_swirl_zps87c34d0f.jpg
Ill be using a GG6 with a Meguiar's Yellow cutting pad
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/gg6_zps0ea3ac71.jpg
Below is an after shot of the fender, fully corrected. Take note though, that I did this using a GRAY LC pad, which is known for little to no cutting ability. Merely using M205 on its own. It did take me 6-7 passes however, VS the yellow cutting pad which only took 3-4 passes. I have two light sources on it, an LED light and a standup light I have in my garage.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/photo_1.jpg
Below is a picture of my hood, as you can see it came out nice. This however was done with a yellow cutting pad.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/photo_2.jpg
Now that where done correcting, lets get ready to seal. For this I chose M21.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/m21_zpsdb18f049.jpg
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/m21_1_zps1d13b175.jpg
The second most underrated product IMO. What about NXT 2.0? Many dont know that M21 2.0 is the "professional" version of the sealant with minor differences. While many people disregard OTC products and have the false impression that they are somehow "inferior" to other brands merely because they are available OTC , the opposite couldn't be any more true. NXT 2.0 is M21, with the exception that NXT has a stronger berry smell, very mild cleaners, a "cool" looking bottle and not recommended to use with a Rotary. M21 on the other hand, is purple in color, has a very slight berry scent and a slightly thicker formula. It is also designed to be used with a Rotary if desired. I cant count how many threads I read of M21 or NXT "streaking". This is because non-experienced detailers apply it too thick. The same type of people that think M07 is a pain to remove, when in fact its not. If you dont have access to M21, pick up a bottle of NXT. I personally prefer M21, just because I like the color, slight scent and most of my products from Megs are the pro line anyway.
Meguiar's made a great job of marketing by designing this NXT bottle to appeal to the average joe. All in all, NXT is derived from M21.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/m21nxt_zpsfa5ce53c.jpg
Even as far as calling NXT a wax when in fact its a sealant, to appeal to the average joe.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/sealants_zps7c7ad065.jpg
The Results
Heres my hood. It was early in the morning, and theres a tree next to my driveway so no sun shots for this one.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/hoodshot_zpsf14647f5.jpg
Below is a shot of my door. Full sun early morning. Do take note, those 2 lines at the top of my door are NOT scratches. They are airplane trails in the sky. I sent this picture to a friend, and he replied back "did someone scratch your car?" That was great.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/doorshot_1_zps38a97f63.jpg
What about for all you water breading freaks? Hows this? After 3 weeks on a cloudy rainy day, its holding up well.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/hoodshot3_zps81818d32.jpg
While not an indication of protection, this does show a great example of the beading ability of M21. I can drive the car and the water will just slide right off. Durability you ask? Im in the business of making MY car look its best. If I was concerned about durability, I'd slap on some Collinite 845 and call it a day.
So there you have it folks, just a little example of the type of work you can achieve with 2 products. No need for expensive German polishes, no need for 50-60-70-100+ dollar LSP's. Some detailers like to follow up M205 with Menzerna 4500 (P085RD), but IME, the difference is very very small, if at all only measurable with a digital gloss meter. The extra step would be worthy if you where doing a show car, but for my daily driver...looks descent enough right?
My main goal of this thread was to show people that you have to maximize the potential of your product to its FULLEST capability.
Sure, Honda paint is known to be "soft", yet I read thread after thread of it supposedly hazing or marring on them. Again, not every paint type is the same, and just because a particular car brand is known to be "soft", doesnt mean YOURS will be the same. Do a test spot. Test spot sucks? Consider your technique.
Let me know what you guys think. Stay tuned gentleman...M21 VS Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0. Will you be able to tell the difference? Find out when I put these two head to head. Coming soon.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp230/Diabolic/m21vswg_zpsabfbe4a6.jpg
Feed back please