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T_velar
01-07-2013, 01:13 AM
Hello!

Fairly new to the Autogeek level of detailing and correcting, and after buying up the entire store, I have a few basic questions.

I have an 08 BLACK Chevy Silverado that i take pretty good care of. Some minor swirls since its a daily driver, but nothing bad, however, my biggest gripe is that it is a few inches too long, so it has to stay outside. This throws a wrench in a few of my plans.

First off, here is a list of products i have and use.

1. BFWD
2. BFMS wax
3. BF Gloss Enhancing Polish
4. BF Wet Diamond Polymer Spray
5. BF Crystal Seal
6. BF Midnight Sun Instant Detailer
7. Pinnacle Waterless Wash
8. Ultima Waterless Wash + concentrate
9. Optimum car was
10. Meguiars shampoo
11. Optimum Spray Wax
12. Menz IS1500
13. Menz SF4000
14. Collinite 845
15. 7424xp with 5.5" LC CCS and flat pads
16. BF Advanced Pad Conditioner

Now for the noob questions. Since my truck has to sit outside, say I wash, clay, and do minor correcting on it during the day and top it with BFWD, is there going to be a problem leaving it outside at night? It gets dark pretty early in Florida, so itll be a good 12 hours before i would be able to wake up and get to it again.

1. Will there be a curing issue with the BFWD, if say, there is dew on the vehicle?

2. Would using a waterless wash to get the dust that has settled on the vehicle overnight cause a problem for the second coat of BFWD? I cant imagine that the second coat would seal properly on top of the little bit of carnauba that is in the Pinnacle Waterless Wash, but hey who knows, maybe it wont matter! Or i guess i could just use the Ultima Waterless Wash to avoid that situation.

3. As far as paint correction goes, i dont think i would do something like this but just for my knowledge, how bad would it be to just do a dawn wash and go straight to the IS1500 without claying first?

4. After using the IS1500 and SF4000, how necessary would it be to apply BF Gloss Enhancing Polish to the finish? Or could i just give it a quick wash to remove the polish residue and then seal with BFWD?

5. When it comes to machine applying waxes and sealants, is there any problem with priming a red CCS pad with the BF advanced pad conditioner to get it moist? I know the BFWD and Collinite 845 have to be applied thin, so i dont want to completely cover the pad and have one body panel with it caked while it gets spread over the paint.

6. I used my PC and a red LC CCS pad to apply BFWD to a work vehicle, and the corners of the pad are blackened from bumping up against some trim pieces on the vehicle and collecting dirt. I washed it with dawn and clean water, but how safe would it be to use on another vehicle?

Thanks for taking the time to read some of my essays! Ive been making a list of questions and i figured id throw them all up here at once rather than hijack other people's threads or start 58308420 topics like an annoying school girl.

Thanks again!
Tommy

tuscarora dave
01-07-2013, 06:22 AM
Welcome to the site.

I'll give you my thoughts on your questions.

1. Yes there could be a curing issue if dew settles on the vehicle before the polymers cross link to the paint. I'd get it corrected and prepped on a Saturday then on Sunday morning do a quick wash and apply the sealant early in the day to make best use of the day's sun to aid in the cross linking of the polymers.

2. Refer to answer #1. I'd avoid the use of anything containing wax between coats of sealant. In fact I'd personally wait until the following weekend to apply the second coat of sealant, unless of course I had the week off to work on it at my leisure. This way the sealant is fully cured before getting it's next coat. However...it certainly won't hurt to apply the second coat the following day.

3. Going straight from wash to machine polishing is a bad idea, especially on a black vehicle. All it takes is a few tiny pieces of embedded brake dust getting in your buffing pad to create a real mess of hazing and potentially deeper pig tail scratches. You're spending all this money for car care products and investing a lot of time to perfect the use of them, avoid a lot of potential pitfalls and frustration by doing things the right way from beginning to end. Clay it.

4. You're working on black so anything that makes the paint look as good as you want it is what you should do. If the first 2 polishes creates a level of beauty you'll be happy with, there will be no need to go any further. Get your results...remove the polishing oils by washing or spray & wiping then apply your sealant. Good luck...

5. I'd personally skip the pad conditioner step. I've never had a situation where a wax or sealant alone wouldn't moisten a soft pad. Apply your product as evenly and as thin as possible to the pad, start in the center of the panel and work your way to the outer edges. If you are getting a ton of product on the panel after this, move on to the next panel until you're getting the thin application that you're looking for, when you achieve this...go back over the first panel to get it thin as well. Keep it simple.

6. This has happened to me a thousand times. there will be no complications on your next vehicle as the result of a little black staining on the pad.

Good luck on correcting your black truck. That GM paint is likely as hard as diamonds so work in small sections at speed 5 or 6 with a very slow arm speed to get your correction. Get it right from beginning to end on the first panel before moving along onto the rest of the truck. Nothing like putting 20 hours into something just to realize that your plan of attack was insufficient.

BobbyG
01-07-2013, 06:36 AM
Great answers Dave!! :props:

Mike Phillips
01-07-2013, 08:45 AM
Just to add a little to what Dave provided...






3. As far as paint correction goes, i dont think i would do something like this but just for my knowledge, how bad would it be to just do a dawn wash and go straight to the IS1500 without claying first?



Definitely clay the paint before machine polishing. Here are a few articles on claying paint...



Using Detailing Clay

New - Baggie Test Tip from Paul aka 2old2change (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/tricks-tips-techniques/56813-baggie-test-tip-paul-aka-2old2change.html)

NEW - Even show cars might need to be clayed... (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/42288-even-show-cars-might-need-clayed.html)

The Baggie Test - How to inspect for above surface bonded contaminants (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/27967-baggie-test-how-inspect-above-surface-bonded-contaminants.html)

The 3 primary benefits of using detailing clay to clay paint (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/27969-3-primary-benefits-using-detailing-clay-clay-paint.html)

Tips and Tricks for using detailing clay (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/20259-tips-techniques-using-detailing-clay.html)

Do I need to wash my car after I use detailing clay to clay the paint? (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/22721-do-i-need-wash-my-car-after-i-use-detailing-clay-clay-paint.html)

How often do I need to clay my car? (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/22015-how-often-do-i-need-clay-my-car.html)

Video: How detailing clay works and how to use detailing clay to remove above surface bonded contaminants (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-videos/24319-show-car-garage-video-how-detailing-clay-works-how-use-detailing-clay-remove-above-surface-bonded-contaminants.html)



See my article here too...


Gloss starts first with a smooth surface... (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/43190-gloss-starts-first-smooth-surface.html)

This is the definition of a high gloss finish!
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1290/54Ford50.jpg







5. When it comes to machine applying waxes and sealants, is there any problem with priming a red CCS pad with the BF advanced pad conditioner to get it moist?



Rely on the wax to be the lubricant and by doing this you won't be introducing an outside product to your choice of wax or paint sealant.

I have a few articles on this topic too...

How-to Machine Apply Wax using a DA Polisher (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/pinnacle-wax/28651-how-machine-apply-wax-using-da-polisher.html)

How to Apply Dodo Pastes Waxes by Machine (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/25737-how-apply-dodo-pastes-waxes-machine.html)

How To Apply Mothers California Gold Carnauba Paste Wax by Machine (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/25725-how-apply-mothers-california-gold-pure-carnauba-paste-machine.html)



And you can use the same technique shown here...

How to prime a foam pad when using a DA Polisher (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/35292-how-prime-foam-pad-when-using-da-polisher.html)


:)