Numb Hands While Using GG for First Time?

[Ross]

After using my Meguiar's G110v2 DA every few weeks over a year, it failed, and I wound up purchasing the Griot's Garage Random Orbital for their lifetime warranty.

I used it for the first time over the weekend with Meg's Ultimate Compound on an Orange Lake County CCS pad on speed 5. Boy this thing has power!

About half way through the car, my hands were numb and uncomfortable. Now I may still be a beginner detailer, however, I've never had such sensations when compounding with the Meg's DA.

Is this normal and something I should get used to? Or is there something I should correct in my technique? Thank you.

[XLNTShine]

Good question. I have found the same thing with my GG polisher. Interested in others opinion on this. I was looking for some type of gloves to cushion the vibrations.

[Madness87]

After using my Meguiar's G110v2 DA every few weeks over a year, it failed, and I wound up purchasing the Griot's Garage Random Orbital for their lifetime warranty.

I used it for the first time over the weekend with Meg's Ultimate Compound on an Orange Lake County CCS pad on speed 5. Boy this thing has power!

About half way through the car, my hands were numb and uncomfortable. Now I may still be a beginner detailer, however, I've never had such sensations when compounding with the Meg's DA.

Is this normal and something I should get used to? Or is there something I should correct in my technique? Thank you.

I just got mine as well, and found the vibrations somewhat uncomfortable. I believe it affects people differently. Some people who have been detailing or using polishers for a while don't even notice anymore, or notice from the start. I think I've seen anti-vibration gloves though. Maybe you could pick up a pair and see if they help you? I'm going to see if my hands get used to it for now.

[stibuki]

Most places that sell power tools will have anti-vibration gloves. Including your big box stores Lowes and HD. You will find they help a little but aren't magic. If you have a pair of decent mechanics gloves give that a try also.

[FUNX650]

Performing many varied assignments in and around factories for over 40 years,
I too have experienced (still do) what you are going through.

-Also, having taken training in various Safety, Ergonomics, OSHA, etc.,
I'm aware of various industrial injury causes.
Even so...I'm not claiming to be a Safety Expert...
Just been highly exposed to this type of phenomenon.

-What it sounds like to me is a symptom of: repetitive stress injury...
caused by exposure of the hands to vibrating equipment.

-How long have you been using tools, such as polishers, that vibrate?

-Even though you stated that you didn't have this problem with the G110v2,
the affects of using vibrating tools/equipment are cumulative.

-Also the GG 6 may indeed have a different 'amplitude of vibration' compared to the G110v2.
Ergo...You "feel" the numbness sensation faster, so to speak.

Eventually, if you keep on using this type of tools/equipment without proper safeguards,
you may develope/incur what's known as: Vibration White Finger (VWF)..

-VWF is a cumulative disorder caused by the use of vibrating tools/equipment.
There is no cure once you have developed it.
It is a nerve/blood-vessel disorder.


-When your hands are exposed to coldness your finger tips (and eventually the entire fingers)
will turn white at first; then, will turn blue upon being
warmed-up---with usually a lot pain being experienced.
Not a lot of fun...and it never, ever stops going through this vicious cycle!!

-However there are measures you can take to prevent reaching this VWF disorder stage;
or, if obtained, can help reduce/ward-off the frequency and duration of white finger episodes.

For example:

-Use the best ergonomic tools/equipment that reduce vibration transference to the hands.
(You may have to make a serious: "which, if any, polisher is best for me and my health"...decision.)

-Use vibration absorbing gloves or pads. Gel padding is better than foam padding for protecting against vibration.

-Hold tools/equipment loosely. Tight grip sinks the ship.

-Limiting your time using a vibrating tool:
Short durations with frequent breaks---10-15 minutes each hour, for example.

-Always keep your hands warm to keep blood flowing.
If they get cold...warm 'em up as fast as posssible!

-Never smoke (or stop if you do) or use any other tobacco products...
(shrinks blood vessels)

-Caffeine, cocaine and amphetamines can act as 'triggers'.
Remove these from your diet.

-Any drugs/substances that inhibit blood flow have to be avoided.

-Exercise...Not only to maintain an overall physical fitness...
But exercise your fingers/hands to improve circulation.

-Consultation with your Dr./Health-Care Provider is of utmost importance!!


-Stop using vibrating equipment. :dunno: :eek: :(

Remember: this is a cumulative disorder.
The more you vibrate, the worse it will get.
It is, afterall, your Health & Well-being!!


-This is a very serious situation you have presented...IMHO.
And...I hope you didn't mind me addressing it as such.


Take care!

:)

Bob

[Ross]

Thanks everyone for the input, especially Bob. It is appreciated it very much.

Outside of detailing, I rarely use power tools, so the sensation with the Griot's felt pretty strange and uncomfortable (compared to the G110v2). I'll definitely look into gloves/gels to reduce the vibration.

[Jomax]

Performing many varied assignments in and around factories for over 40 years,
I too have experienced (still do) what you are going through.

-Also, having taken training in various Safety, Ergonomics, OSHA, etc.,
I'm aware of various industrial injury causes.
Even so...I'm not claiming to be a Safety Expert...
Just been highly exposed to this type of phenomenon.

-What it sounds like to me is a symptom of: repetitive stress injury...
caused by exposure of the hands to vibrating equipment.

-How long have you been using tools, such as polishers, that vibrate?

-Even though you stated that you didn't have this problem with the G110v2,
the affects of using vibrating tools/equipment are cumulative.

-Also the GG 6 may indeed have a different 'amplitude of vibration' compared to the G110v2.
Ergo...You "feel" the numbness sensation faster, so to speak.

Eventually, if you keep on using this type of tools/equipment without proper safeguards,
you may develope/incur what's known as: Vibration White Finger (VWF)..

-VWF is a cumulative disorder caused by the use of vibrating tools/equipment.
There is no cure once you have developed it.
It is a nerve/blood-vessel disorder.


-When your hands are exposed to coldness your finger tips (and eventually the entire fingers)
will turn white at first; then, will turn blue upon being
warmed-up---with usually a lot pain being experienced.
Not a lot of fun...and it never, ever stops going through this vicious cycle!!

-However there are measures you can take to prevent reaching this VWF disorder stage;
or, if obtained, can help reduce/ward-off the frequency and duration of white finger episodes.

For example:

-Use the best ergonomic tools/equipment that reduce vibration transference to the hands.
(You may have to make a serious: "which, if any, polisher is best for me and my health"...decision.)

-Use vibration absorbing gloves or pads. Gel padding is better than foam padding for protecting against vibration.

-Hold tools/equipment loosely. Tight grip sinks the ship.

-Limiting your time using a vibrating tool:
Short durations with frequent breaks---10-15 minutes each hour, for example.

-Always keep your hands warm to keep blood flowing.
If they get cold...warm 'em up as fast as posssible!

-Never smoke (or stop if you do) or use any other tobacco products...
(shrinks blood vessels)

-Caffeine, cocaine and amphetamines can act as 'triggers'.
Remove these from your diet.

-Any drugs/substances that inhibit blood flow have to be avoided.

-Exercise...Not only to maintain an overall physical fitness...
But exercise your fingers/hands to improve circulation.

-Consultation with your Dr./Health-Care Provider is of utmost importance!!


-Stop using vibrating equipment. :dunno: :eek: :(

Remember: this is a cumulative disorder.
The more you vibrate, the worse it will get.
It is, afterall, your Health & Well-being!!


-This is a very serious situation you have presented...IMHO.
And...I hope you didn't mind me addressing it as such.


Take care!

:)

Bob


Wow, this post makes you think twice about using a polisher thanks alot! Lol, great post, I used the griots all day and have no problem. But I'm still young.

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[dpk20x]

I had the same issue the first time I used my gg6. My hands weren't numb but they tingled a lot, even after I stopped polishing.

But I've used it maybe a half dozen times since then and haven't had any further problems.

Try it out again. Hopefully your body adjusts and it won't be as bad this time.

[mwoolfso]

Bob's comments are interesting and for the most part I agree with the concepts. Too much of ANYTHING is not good to the body or the soul. There always has to be balance in one's life.

Back to the topic at hand..... the GG vibration.... get the gloves and that will help dampen the vibration effects. There was a thread a little over a year ago about vibration across the PCXP, GG and Flex.

I used to dislocate my thumbs every now and again when I did work around the house. Ever since I got serious into detailing it hasn't happened. Over time, your grip strength will increase and the superficial effects will not be as pronounced.

[richy]

I remember CEEDOG (Corey) panned the GG 'cause it shook like a cold, wet dog. One suggestion would be to get some motorcycle fingerless gel gloves. The gel in them is pretty thick.

[KneeDragr]

Yeah I get the same thing. Honestly I dont know how people can do a whole car 2-step in one day. My hands are shot after 1/2 the car. I couldent do this for a living thats for sure.

[Shakabruddah808]

About half way through the car, my hands were numb and uncomfortable. Now I may still be a beginner detailer, however, I've never had such sensations when compounding with the Meg's DA.

Try one of these gloves. They are available both online and at various auto parts stores. Your local Autozone, O'Reily's and Pep Boys should carry them.

The Safety M-Pact : Mechanix Wear (http://www.mechanix.com/the-safety-m-pact)

Or if you want impact protection throughout your entire hand:
The Safety M-Pact 2 : Mechanix Wear (http://www.mechanix.com/the-safety-m-pact-2)

Price is in the $40 dollar range for both. Sounds kinda steep for a glove, I know, but much cheaper than developing carpal tunnel syndrome and requiring surgery to fix.

And you can wear a pair of oversized nitrile gloves over them so detailing products won't soak through. Autozone should have those as well.

Hope this helps.

BTW, my name is Ross as well. Whoulda thunk it?

:D

p.s. Check out this apron. It'll be perfect for detailing. Protects your clothes, and more importantly, helps protect your finish. Pockets galore so you can stash extra gloves, MF towels and other detailing products, etc. I use an apron while detailing and pockets are perfect for holding sample-sized (2 or 4 ounce) bottles of product.

Accessories > Shop Apron : Mechanix Wear (http://www.mechanix.com/accessories/shop-apron)

[FUNX650]

But I'm still young.

^^^Thanks for the reminder!!^^^ (BOO!; HISS!!) LOL


-OH!...To be be young, impetuous [and even in lust (OOOPS) Love] again...

...Everytime I now look in the mirror; or, whenever "The Good Wife" drops
a friendly reminder; I see not only my time-ravaged face, but the
broken remnants of what was once an enchanting, youthful body. :rolleyes:


-It's also serves as a reminder, that, once more, retirement required me
to invent a new hedonism---never...alas & alack...to return to the
hedonistic, aleatoric---more-chance-taking...days of my youth.


-Surely...
Each and every individual's physicality, mentality, and persona is
different from another person...

But once certain actions produces symptoms that, heretofore are "newly-felt";
not before noticed; 'gotten-used-to'; etc...
Perhaps it's time to: step away for a moment...in order to
assess/re-evaluate ones lifestyle and how it affectuates ones health...JMO.


-Previoiusly I mentioned exercizing/diet/get rid of harmful vices.

An example of someone who, IMO, exemplifies the above "habits" is none other than
"The Detailing Guru" himself: Mr. Mike Phillips.

He would be the first to witness that Detailing is demanding upon a person's physical
as well as mental well-being. As such, he exercizes religiously; takes 'rest-periods';
has honed the fundamental-skills/best-practices to handle a machine, among others.
I'm positive he would recommend all of us to do likewise.


-My wish is for everyone, (regardless of chronological age), that does notice/experience:
"pain-from-detailing-processes" (or any other facets of their life-style)...
...use a common-sense approach for their pain-abatement.


-I always desired...that, upon reaching 'old-age'
I would be a: "Good Ol' Man"...not completely wore-out!

But, evidently, I was led astray. :D


-A few passing thoughts:

"Habit, with him, was all the test of truth;
"It must be right: I've done it from my youth"." ~ George Crabbe

"That is the way of youth and life in general: that we do not understand
the strategy until after the campaign is over". ~ Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe


Anyway...Happy Detailing!...one and all. (If you dare, that is :D)<<<J/K


:)

Bob

[Jomax]

^^^Thanks for the reminder!!^^^ (BOO!; HISS!!) LOL


-OH!...To be be young, impetuous [and even in lust (OOOPS) Love] again...

...Everytime I now look in the mirror; or, whenever "The Good Wife" drops
a friendly reminder; I see not only my time-ravaged face, but the
broken remnants of what was once an enchanting, youthful body. :rolleyes:


-It's also serves as a reminder, that, once more, retirement required me
to invent a new hedonism---never...alas & alack...to return to the
hedonistic, aleatoric---more-chance-taking...days of my youth.


-Surely...
Each and every individual's physicality, mentality, and persona is
different from another person...

But once certain actions produces symptoms that, heretofore are "newly-felt";
not before noticed; 'gotten-used-to'; etc...
Perhaps it's time to: step away for a moment...in order to
assess/re-evaluate ones lifestyle and how it affectuates ones health...JMO.


-Previoiusly I mentioned exercizing/diet/get rid of harmful vices.

An example of someone who, IMO, exemplifies the above "habits" is none other than
"The Detailing Guru" himself: Mr. Mike Phillips.

He would be the first to witness that Detailing is demanding upon a person's physical
as well as mental well-being. As such, he exercizes religiously; takes 'rest-periods';
has honed the fundamental-skills/best-practices to handle a machine, among others.
I'm positive he would recommend all of us to do likewise.


-My wish is for everyone, (regardless of chronological age), that does notice/experience:
"pain-from-detailing-processes" (or any other facets of their life-style)...
...use a common-sense approach for their pain-abatement.


-I always desired...that, upon reaching 'old-age'
I would be a: "Good Ol' Man"...not completely wore-out!

But, evidently, I was led astray. :D


-A few passing thoughts:

"Habit, with him, was all the test of truth;
"It must be right: I've done it from my youth"." ~ George Crabbe

"That is the way of youth and life in general: that we do not understand
the strategy until after the campaign is over". ~ Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe


Anyway...Happy Detailing!...one and all. (If you dare, that is :D)<<<J/K


:)

Bob

Your posts are never short of amazing, in a good way :) happy detailing Bob


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[Mike Phillips]

About half way through the car, my hands were numb and uncomfortable. Now I may still be a beginner detailer, however, I've never had such sensations when compounding with the Meg's DA.

Is this normal and something I should get used to? Or is there something I should correct in my technique? Thank you.



Hi Ross,

Just read your PM on this topic...


The vibration you feel is normal. It bothers some people more than others. For example, it doesn't bother me at all. Heck I used an Impact Gun yesterday, talk about jarring vibrations.

You can try gloves like other's recommended or take more breaks, maybe spread a detailing session out over a couple of weekends versus trying to do it all in one day.

Tools like the Flex 3401 and Cyclo Polisher are very low vibration, so these tools are options too...


:)