Help with this car...

[KJW Detailing]

Good Evening to all AUTOGEEKS,

I have a client/friends car to detail on Monday. It's not in the greatest of shape to say the least. I need some help to determine if the hood, quarter panel, and drivers side door are suffering from failure in the clear coat, oxidation, or something entirely different. The car is a 2006 Black Nissan Murano. In 2007 the panels in question where replaced and painted due to an accident. In 2010, is when the fog began to set in. He explained that wax would help, but only briefly before fading away. Look at the pictures and let me know what you think is wrong...

Look at the stark difference in color between panels.

[DaveT435]

I'm not a professional detailer...but do have some paint knowledge. I've seen a lot of clear coat failure...none that has looked like that. What kind of warranty did the body shop give?? Looks like bad paint. You may want to have him check with them first. If you start buffing on it I'm sure they won't want to cover it if it is a warranty situation. In 2 years there is no way that paint should look like that!! Is it a pretty reputable body shop that he used??

[Setec Astronomy]

That's a crappy paint job for sure, but it doesn't look like CC failure to me. I think some 105 and a Surbuff or PFW and those faded panels will look like the rest of the car.

[RoadRageDetail]

I've seen paint like that but not quite as bad... on another Nissan no less. You'll need something aggressive for it. I was using a compound with a braided wool on this one.

Deck lid of a G35
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd129/Road_Rage_Photos/SolRacerDetail/IMG_1972.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd129/Road_Rage_Photos/SolRacerDetail/IMG_1987.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd129/Road_Rage_Photos/SolRacerDetail/IMG_1988.jpg

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd129/Road_Rage_Photos/SolRacerDetail/IMG_1997.jpg

I think Dave may have a good idea, however. Let the bodyshop take a look at it. That is absolutely terrible for two year old paint and is unacceptable IMO. Most repair facilities do carry a warranty of some kind for their work and if only the panels they painted are defecting then they should be aware of it and try to make it right.

[DaveT435]

Actually I'm thinking the paint may not have been mixed properly. Just my opinion I would try to get them to warranty it...then if they don't, proceed with whatever process.

[KJW Detailing]

Unfortunately, the shop that did the job has since closed down. I'm not sure if I miss typed, but the paint job was done in 2007...it just started going foggy since 2010.

[DaveT435]

Oh...I may have misunderstood. Back to your original question then...as I said I'm not a professional detailer...but have some paint experience...and it doesn't look like cc failure...

[KJW Detailing]

I'd like to thank everyone for their insight. I had already told the individual that I'd take the car an test it. The hardest compound and pad combo I have is a yellow ccs pad and Meg's 105, on a GG6. Hopefully that will be enough to cut through and bring that paint back to life.

[RaskyR1]

I'd have to agree that it doesn't really look like clear coat failure, but it's odd for it too fade like that if it's a BC/CC system. Post back if you're getting pigment transfer on your pads when you start polishing it.

[Mike Phillips]

I'd have to agree that it doesn't really look like clear coat failure, but it's odd for it too fade like that if it's a BC/CC system. Post back if you're getting pigment transfer on your pads when you start polishing it.


Here's how to test for single stage paint... you can buff with a buffing pad and then turn your polisher over and look at the face of the buffing pad too...

How to Test for Single Stage or Clear Coat Paint (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/tricks-tips-techniques/34829-how-test-single-stage-clear-coat-paint.html)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1084/56StarCheif042.jpg






Here's another related article,


Single Stage Paint - Tinted Clears - Basecoat/Clearcoat - Embedded Dirt (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/43347-types-paint-single-stage-paint-tinted-clears-basecoat-clearcoat-embedded-dirt.html)



Single Stage Paint
If you're pulling a LOT of color or pigment then the car is a single stage paint like this 1957 Chevy we buffed out just a few weeks ago...

1957 Chevrolet Bel Air - Remove Swirls - Modeled by Kristin (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/pictures-autogeek-s-car-week/42954-1957-chevrolet-bel-air-remove-swirls-modeled-kristin.html)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1308/1957BelairExtremeMakeover030.jpg



Yep... we're working on red single stage paint as you can see by the red pigment transferring to the face of the buffing pad.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1308/1957BelairExtremeMakeover031.jpg



:)

[Mike Phillips]

Also, just to note, while clear coats don't readily oxidize and turn chalky white like old school single stage paints, the can and will turn chalky looking if neglected long enough and left outside to fend for themselves.

Here's an example, this is a basecoat/clearcoat finish...


Dodge Neon Extreme Makeover with Dodo Juice (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/31073-dodge-neon-extreme-makeover-dodo-juice.html)


Here's the before and after, side-by-side results...
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/994/EODodgeNeon020.jpg



Before
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/994/EODodgeNeon027.jpg


After
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/994/EODodgeNeon039.jpg



:)

[RaskyR1]

Also, just to note, while clear coats don't readily oxidize and turn chalky white like old school single stage paints, the can and will turn chalky looking if neglected long enough and left outside to fend for themselves.

Here's an example, this is a basecoat/clearcoat finish...


Dodge Neon Extreme Makeover with Dodo Juice (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/31073-dodge-neon-extreme-makeover-dodo-juice.html)


Here's the before and after, side-by-side results...
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/994/EODodgeNeon020.jpg



Before
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/994/EODodgeNeon027.jpg


After
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/994/EODodgeNeon039.jpg



:)


You guys down south have all the fun! :D

[KJW Detailing]

Completed the test on the hood. Used a light blue wax applicator and Megs 205. The result left on the pad was a gray. I'm assuming this would make the paint a single stage. The second picture is after flipping the pad over and buffing out the remaining product.

[RaskyR1]

Completed the test on the hood. Used a light blue wax applicator and Megs 205. The result left on the pad was a gray. I'm assuming this would make the paint a single stage. The second picture is after flipping the pad over and buffing out the remaining product.

Try hitting that clean spot again with the same process....it could have just been all the dead paint that came off. If it's single stage the polished area will continue to turn the pad grey/black.

[KJW Detailing]

did what you ask Rasky1...very similar to previous test...polishing side turned light gray (much less that initial test) and the side buffing product clean is clean.