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Mike Phillips
06-12-2012, 07:17 AM
Sign-up: 1970 Mustang Machine Polishing Clinic - June 21st (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/sign-up-project-cars-clinics/51490-sign-up-1970-mustang-machine-polishing-clinic-june-21st.html)


Starting at 5:00pm we will be going over tips and techniques to machine polish paint on this 1970 Mustang. If you look down the page a little way you will see that while it looks shiny in the picture the paint has swirls, scratches and light oxidation that we're going to remove and then create a true show car finish.


We will be broadcasting this machine polishing clinic live!
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/715/LIVE-feed-button-banner.jpg (http://www.palmbeachmotoring.net/showcargarage/livefeed.html)


* Limited to the first 12 people that sign-up.


Here's Don's Mustang, looks pretty good to the average person...
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1460/1970Mustang001.jpg

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1460/1970Mustang002.jpg


http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1460/1970Mustang003.jpg

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1460/1970Mustang004.jpg


When you know how to truly inspect the finish on a Special Interest Car then you know there's a little room for improvement and if you think this car looks good in the above pictures wait till we warm it over by MACHINE! :buffing:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1460/1970Mustang005.jpg


This is a full size section cropped out of the original above, no resizing.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1460/1970Mustang005c.jpg


Oxidized Single Stage Paint
The below is a reflection shot of the overhead florescent tube lights, what I want you to see is the dull, opaque look the paint has at the bottom of the reflection of the lights. This is light oxidation and even though the car looks beautiful in the pictures above, in person the paint has a dull sheen to it caused by oxidation. This is a single stage paint by the way.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1460/1970Mustang006.jpg



Goal


The goal of these events is to give people a chance to:

Try out products they may have never used or even known about.


Learn the correct technique for machine buffing paint as well as other detailing techniques related to the project car.
Requirement: To attend and participate with this project you must be a member of our forum and reply to this thread.

If you're not a member, click here to register (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/register.php) and "yes" it's free to join our forum. Here's an article I wrote with pictures that show you what to do if you run into problems registering.

How To Register with the Autogeek Discussion Forum (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/tips-techniques-how-articles-interacting-discussion-forums/27444-how-register-autogeek-discussion-forum.html)

If you have problems registering call us at 1-800-869-3011 and ask for Nick or Mike and we'll help you to process your registration.


If you're new to discussion forums and don't know how to [REPLY] to a thread, then click the link below and look at the pictures.

How to Start a New Thread & How to Reply to a Thread (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/tips-techniques-how-articles-interacting-discussion-forums/27449-how-start-new-thread-discussion-forum-reply-existing-thread.html)





Sign-up List

1. Mike Phillips - Of course I'll be here!
2. Rand Phillips - My son will be our special guest
3. Don - Owner of the Mustang
4. Rene aka Rencor
5. Matt aka mbc4934
6. Steve aka Indy
7. Dan aka Muscle Express Dan
8. Jeff aka jd56
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Date: Thursday, June 21st, 2012
Time: 5:00pm to 9:00pm

Autogeek's Garage
7744 SW Jack James Drive
Stuart, FL 34997
Mapquest Driving Directions (http://tinyurl.com/l5d6vf)


The door to the right of the garage door is the entrance to our TV Studio, my red Jimmy is usually parked right in front of the entrance door.
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/715/OpenStudio011.jpg


:xyxthumbs:

Rencor
06-12-2012, 10:00 AM
See you then!

Mike Phillips
06-12-2012, 10:24 AM
See you then!


This will be a lot of fun and a rare opportunity for people to work on single stage paint.



:)

mbc4934
06-12-2012, 07:41 PM
Hey Mike,
Will be there!

Indy
06-14-2012, 03:28 PM
I'll be there

Steve

Mike Phillips
06-18-2012, 10:05 AM
Hey Mike,
Will be there!


I'll be there

Steve

Hi Matt and Steve,

I've put your names on the list and we'll see you here at 5:00pm this Thursday night.



:)

Muscle Express Dan
06-18-2012, 01:40 PM
Hi mike
i'll be there.
Do you need another car?
I can bring a 70 ss 396 chevelle.
Let me know.
Muscle express dan

jd56
06-18-2012, 01:51 PM
Mike Id love to come up play and learn, its only a quick ride on the Bike for me Jeff.

Mike Phillips
06-19-2012, 08:44 AM
Hi mike
i'll be there.
Do you need another car?
I can bring a 70 ss 396 chevelle.
Let me know.
Muscle express dan


Hi Dan,

We're going to keep this class focused on just one car this time. We're working on single stage paint so the last thing anyone should do is rush when working on single stage paint.

Single stage paint will tend to be softer and for this reason it's important to be very careful around raised body lines when machine buffing or even hand polishing.

Plus, we have no idea how many people have worked on this car before us, just another reason to be cautious.





Mike Id love to come up play and learn, its only a quick ride on the Bike for me Jeff.


I'll add your name to the list...



:)

Mike Phillips
06-19-2012, 03:43 PM
At the last Thursday Night Clinic we used Mothers products on the Gold Camaro and Blackfire products on the black Camaro and both cars came out awesome.

For the single stage paint on this 1970 Mach 1 Mustang we're going to use Meguiar's products including machine polishing with one of the oldest, remaining non-abrasive pure polishes on the market, #7 Show Car Glaze.

Here's the line-up for this Thursday night's Mustang project...

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1460/1970MustangMach1001.jpg


We'll machine apply the #7 after any correction work and before the application of the wax.


Here's an excerpt from my article on how to restore antique and original single stage paints without using abrasives to do your best to preserve the original paint while restoring it.

Note: This isn't antique paint on the Mustang but it is SINGLE STAGE Enamel so it's a great candidate for the polishing oils in it.


The Secret to Removing Oxidation and Restoring a Show Car Finish to Antique Single Stage Paints (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/25304-secret-removing-oxidation-restoring-show-car-finish-antique-single-stage-paints.html)



The Secret of Number Seven
There is a way to restore single stage paints that is non-abrasive and as gentle as you can get using a product thatís been around since early paints were formulated. That product is called Meguiar's Mirror Glaze #7 Show Car Glaze (http://www.autogeek.net/meg7showcarg.html).

#7 Sealer Reseal Glaze = Show Car Glaze
Hereís a photo of a few bottles of #7 from my car wax collection. I have some older bottles from before WWII, but this picture shows the transition from when the name changed from Sealer and Reseal Glaze to Show Car Glaze.

http://www.showcargarage.com/gallery/files/1/800_M07Collection.jpg
(Click here (http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/715/1000_M07Collection.jpg) for a larger picture)


The glass bottle on the left hand side is post-WWII. You can identify glass bottles as pre-WWII or post-WWII by the name on the label. Pre-WWII bottles will say Mirror Bright on the front label and post-WWII bottles will have Mirror Glaze on the bottle. This has to so with a posterity program instigated by the U.S. Government at the start of World War II which prevented companies from raising prices on existing products; because the cost of raw materials were increasing due to the war a lot of companies couldn'tít make a profit under the new regulations so to get around them they would introduce a new product line at a higher price point. These could be the same physical products but introduced as a new product line by giving the products different names.

#7 Show Car Glaze as itís called today is whatís referred to as a non-abrasive pure polish, itís not for abrading paint but instead for maintaining paint and creating a beautiful finish. Thereís a lot of confusion over this product and any product that uses the word polish in the product's name or on the label because the word polish is usually interpreted to mean some type of abrasive product as in a rubbing or polishing compound. While that might be true for some products itís not true for this product.

Sometimes I have to remind people that #7 has been around long before plastic was invented, thus the glass bottles. The plastic "cylinder" bottle you see below, (just to the right of the glass bottle), was the first plastic bottle used for #7 and was introduced I think in the late 1950's, maybe early 1960's.

The 4th bottle from the right shows when they changed the name from Sealer Reseal Glaze to Show Car Glaze primarily because as our lingo changed in the car appearance world. People were confusing the word "Sealer" with the word "Sealant" and M07 is water-soluble. Hopefully everyone reading this can understand why that kind of confusion could be a problem in the enthusiast or consumer market.


The third bottle from the right shows the label during the transition when the name was changed. If you look closely under the words Show Car Glaze it reads, (Same as Sealer and Reseal Glaze)

Transition Label Circa Late 1980's or 1990's
http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/715/1000_M07Collectionc.jpg


Just in case you donít understand why there was some confusion over the use of the word "Sealer" hereís why; a paint sealant is for protection and should last through inclement weather and repeated car washings. #7 is water soluble; that means it will break down in inclement weather or with repeated washings. It offers no lasting characteristics. Itís not supposed to be a paint protectant, but a glaze thatís safe for use on fresh paint and will give paint a wet-look.

The name sealer and reseal glaze came from it's ability to hide or mask hairline scratches temporarily, or in other words it would seal hairline scratches and as it wore off and was re-applied it would reseal, or re-hide hairline scratches.

In todays detailing lingo hairline scratches = swirls.

#7 has no protection ability and no lasting ability. So when the word sealant became more commonly used in the car wax market people were confusing the word sealer with sealant and purchasing and using the product thinking it was a paint sealant that would last for a long time and protect for a long time when in fact it's nickname is Queen-For-The-Day, in that car guys would wipe their car down with #7 to give it the wet-look for the day of the big car show but the first time the car is washed the extremely wet look the product would impart to paint would disappear as the water soluble oils would wash off with the rinse water.


Anyway, the name was changed sometime in the early 1990ís as back in the 1980ís and continuing through to even today, a lot of ďpaint sealants" have been introduced in the car appearance market to compete along side Carnauba car waxes. So to avoid confusion the name was changed to reflect, (no pun intended), what this product is and has been famous for over the last century and thatís create a deep, wet shine on show cars.


Bringing the dead back to life...
Besides being used as described above, #7 is also famous for its ability to revive dead, oxidized single stage paints. This has to do with the unique feeder-oil formula created by Frank Meguiarís Jr. back in the early days of Meguiarís which was also the early days of the Automobile. Meguiarís was founded in 1901 and for perspective, only a few years earlier in 1886, Karl Benz was awarded a patent for a gas-fueled car and it wasnít until 1908 that Henry Ford introduced the Model T.

I donít know exactly when #7 was introduced but I think sometime in the early 1920ís, like 1923 or 1924. While #7 may have been introduced in the 1920ís, the formula that became #7 was around even earlier, possibly back to 1901. Here's a collection of 4 very old Mirror Bright polishes; it is my opinion that the formulas used in these products were pre-cursors to what became #7 Sealer and Reseal Glaze.

Photos Courtesy of MeguiarsOnline.com
http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/24OldMegsBottles.JPG



So be by your computer Thursday night and join myself, my son Rand and everyone else attending for a great time in Autogeek's Show Car Garage!


:)

Rencor
06-20-2012, 12:03 PM
Mike,

I understand this car is single stage paint and #7 makes total sense using in this case. Does #7 offer any benifit for clear coats? Can you still use it as a filler and then top off with sealant or wax?

Reason I ask is because I do not want to be removing every single swirl mark evey time one appears. I am trying to limit correction work so I can have a relatively long lasting paint job.

Would #7 be a good candidate under a LSP?

Rencor
06-20-2012, 12:25 PM
Do feeder-oils offer any benefit in clear coats?

mbc4934
06-21-2012, 01:13 PM
Hey mike,
Just wanted to let you know but we're not gonna be able to make it tonight. Next time though :-)
Mat

Johnny_Coonass
06-21-2012, 01:39 PM
Is it too late to sign up?

Johnny_Coonass
06-21-2012, 01:40 PM
I mean just to view?