Meg's #9 is equal to what pro line?

[Spiney]

I have a 32 oz unused container of Meguiar's #9 is this an equivalent of some other Meg's product or is #9 a pro line stand alone product? Thanks again, Spiney.

[Paul Lonergan]

i would say its very similar to #80 but not quite as effective.
I have a SS red paint that i used to use it on for maintenance - it was great for that.
i was a great believer in the #83 & 80 combo followed by #21 as a topper.

[BillE]

We're talking "Swirl Remover" right?

It is a DAT product. On CC paints it doesn't have the aggressiveness as the newer SMAT types (IE, 205). I still use it every now and then, 'specially when I work on some SS paints.

Good product, been around for eons.

Bill

[FUNX650]

According to this Meguiar's Chart...

#9 Swirl Remover 2.0 is called a: Cleaner/Polish and has a "Cut Meter Value" of 3.

#82 Swirl Free Polish is called a: Cleaner/Polish and has a "Cut Meter Value" of 3, also.

#9/#82 can be used by hand, orbital, DA, and rotary

#9 available in 16 and 64 oz
#82 availasble in 32 and 64 oz

Understanding the Professional Line (http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?10662-Understanding-the-Professional-Line&s=&highlight=cut%20meter)


Of course, and as usual...

Pad selections, type of machine and/or by-hand, skill level, and technique(s), among other factors, will also play a role in aggressiveness (Cut Meter Value, I've always presumed) of a product.


:)

Bob

[Setec Astronomy]

i would say its very similar to #80 but not quite as effective.

I would say it's more like #82.

[Mike Phillips]

I would say it's more like #82.

Correct.

M09 is a fine cut cleaner/polish. Cleaner/Polish is a term Meguiar's has always used because they describe their products as both cleaning the paint, removing defects and polishing the paint, restoring and maximize gloss and clarity.

Cleaner was a term used instead of "compound" because back in the old days most people would think of a gritty, scratchy abrasive product like liquid sand when they heard of the term compound and Meguiar's early products were not like that.

Meguiar's pioneered the use of diminishing abrasives way back in the early 1900's where as most compound products in the auto industry used non-diminishing abrasives that cut fast but also left the paint looking scoured.

From what I saw in the body shop industry it wasn't until the 1980's that other abrasive product companies started the switch to diminishing abrasive products and getting away from sharp, hard non-diminishing abrasive because these archaic products were not working on clear coat paints that the re-finishing industry was switching over to. It was a forced change.

I know because I was calling on body shops when body shops were transitioning from spraying single stage paint systems to basecoat/clearcoat paint systems.

But I digress...

Anyway, M09 is a VERY light or fine polish. Some might even consider it an ultra fine cut polish.

It does work well and I've used tons of this stuff in my life back when it and #2 Fine Cut Cleaner were introduced as a system for working out swirls on the "new" clear coat paint technologies in the mid-1980's along with foam pads for rotary buffers.


Just to comment...

Meguiar's introduced the first foam buffing pad to the body shop and detailing industry in 1965. I started calling on body shop in either 1987 or 1988 and the majority of guys I met and worked with had never seen a foam pad in their life.

There was no Internet back then and the only time you would learn about something new was when someone else would show it to you. That's what I did, I called on body shops and showed them "new" things, at least new to them.

Back then it was so easy to "wow" a crew at any body shop with what swirl-free looking pad looked like because these guys were finishing everything out with wool pads.


Again... I digress...


:D

[Mike Phillips]

Here's some pictures of an early foam pad I have in my antique wax collection...

Photos courtesy of MeguiarsOnline

In 1965 Meguiar's introduced the first foam buffing pad for use in place of a wool cutting or wool finishing pad; this enabled a person to create a more swirl-free finish by getting away from the individual fibers that make up a wool or fiber type buffing pad.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/717/WoolessWonderFrom196502.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/717/WoolessWonderFrom196503.jpg

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/717/WoolessWonderFrom196504.jpg



While it's no longer in any condition to buff out a car the picture kind of relays the idea of a long time, as in the Wooless Wonder was introduced a long time ago and since then we've continued to bring out new and innovative buffing pads for professionals, detailers and enthusiasts.

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/717/WoolessWonderFrom196501.jpg


For perspective, Gilligan's Island debuted in 1965 in Black & White and in 1965, Ford introduced the Mustang. (technically in 1964 1/2)

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/649/Gilligans_Island.jpg http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/data/649/1965MustangAd.jpg

The Rolling Stones came out with, "Satisfaction", (I can't get no satisfaction), and the Beach Boys came out with "Wendy".


:)

[Mike Phillips]

I have a 32 oz unused container of Meguiar's #9 is this an equivalent of some other Meg's product or is #9 a pro line stand alone product? Thanks again, Spiney.

Also just to answer the last part of your question...

#9 is a stand alone product in that it is a dedicated cleaner/polish or swirl remover. It does not contain any protection ingredients and should always be followed with a wax or paint sealant.

It's mostly for following a more aggressive procedure to refine the results but it can be used by itself as a light swirl remover by hand, DA or RB


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