Question about glaze.

[DM616]

Hi, I'm some-what new to detailing. Anyways, I just want to maximize the shine out of my car. It's a black 1997 Camry (don't hate :P). Anyways, usually I wash it down and apply collinite #845 wax. I typically follow the wax with Meguiar's quick detailer every other week to maintain the shine/cleanliness. Today is the first day I actually used a claybar on it to make it smooth as hell. Now, I didn't get a chance to wax yet (damn rain), but I was wondering, would applying a glaze before the wax give it a much more deeper shine than normal? I've been searching forums and they say Poor Boys Black Hole Glaze. Should I use that? Would it be compatible with Coll. #845?

[RTexasF]

Black Hole really is a good product as is White Diamond. I think it would help a bit. No problems with #845.

[DM616]

Now you say it would help a bit. I mean would it really add to it? I mean the paint is in excellent shape for being a 15 year old car and I'm not exaggerating lol.

[Agfan]

Black hole is the sh*t! Don't use much glazes but when I do i use blackhole or white diamond.

Hmm that almost sounded like a dos equis commercial.

[Kaban]

I have used a couple different 3M glazes and they work awesome, especially when you are not polishing or doing correction work. Just apply the glaze with a buffer before the LSP and enjoy the results.

[szjalo]

just my 2 cents:

If you need to hide swirls, glaze helps
If you have single stage paint, glaze helps
If you have clear coat paint, and the car is polished already, the help of glaze is minimum. likely you wont tell any difference before and after using glaze.

[silverfox]

I like glazes. I don't feel a multi step correction is totally complete without amping the living heck out of the gloss factor. My favorite is hands down wet glaze 2.0. It's totally acrylic based. Not a cleaner nor has any abrasives. It's a pure glaze. Doesn't wash off like other glazes. Best part yet.... Can be applied under or OVER any wax or sealant. No other glaze that I'm aware of can do that. The results are scary good. Not sold on AG. Google it and never look back.

[DM616]

I like glazes. I don't feel a multi step correction is totally complete without amping the living heck out of the gloss factor. My favorite is hands down wet glaze 2.0. It's totally acrylic based. Not a cleaner nor has any abrasives. It's a pure glaze. Doesn't wash off like other glazes. Best part yet.... Can be applied under or OVER any wax or sealant. No other glaze that I'm aware of can do that. The results are scary good. Not sold on AG. Google it and never look back.

Interesting. Been looking that one up seems nice too. Says it darkens the paint too and is apparently similar to PB Black Hole.

So I'm looking at PB's Black Hole (backordered on this site) or DSWG 2.0.

[Mike Phillips]

"Gloss comes from smoothness"

That's in my book... to make your car's paint as glossy as possible you need to make the paint as smooth as possible.

Instead of looking at a glaze, get a fine cut polish, a high quality fine cut polish and machine polish all of the paint using a polishing pad. Then you can either go to wax or if you feel so inclined you can re-polish using a finishing pad and either the same polish or an ultra fine polish. The point and goal being to remove as many surface imperfections as possible in order to create the smoothest surface possible before applying wax.

Like we did for this project...

1954 Ford F-100 - Extreme Makeover - Process and products used (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/pictures-autogeek-s-car-week/42270-1954-ford-f-100-extreme-makeover-process-products-used.html)



From this....

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1290/54Ford19.jpg


http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1290/54Ford32.jpg





to this.....

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1290/54Ford108.jpg

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1290/54Ford148m.jpg



The above paint is glossy because the above paint was smoothed over and cleared-up. All the surface imperfections were removed along with any swirls and scratches.


That's the secrete to a show car shine...



:dblthumb2:

[DM616]

That is amazing, Mike. I really should invest in some good polish and a dual action polisher.

I've been looking at this guide here:

Dual Action Orbital Polisher Guide: how to remove swirls, scratches, & oxidation with an orbital buffer. Porter Cable 7424, foam pads, backing plate, (http://www.autogeek.net/dual-action-polisher.html)

Would anyone like to recommend a DA polisher? I see there are some there. I'm not looking to spend a whole lot, but I want something that will last for years and years :P Something not cheaply made.

[Belair]

I like my Griot's, & the guarantee makes it a good buy.

[Mike Phillips]

Would anyone like to recommend a DA polisher? I see there are some there. I'm not looking to spend a whole lot, but I want something that will last for years and years :P Something not cheaply made.




The below is the most common reply to a question like yours...


I like my Griot's, & the guarantee makes it a good buy.


Me?

I use whichever is closest to my hand when out in the studio. I've used the PC since it was introduced to the market in the early 1990's so I've fed myself with it for years and it's never let me down.

Whichever one you get, you'll need to get a dedicated backing plate and some 5.5" foam pads...

From my article list under the section



Buffing Pads - Wool Pads & Foam Pads

5 1/2 inch and 6 inch Buffing Pads on Autogeek's Online Store (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/questions-about-porter-cable-7424xp-7424-7336-griot-s-meguiar-s-dual-action-polishers/27194-5-1-2-inch-6-inch-buffing-pads-pictures-links.html)

5 Inch Backing Plates for DA Polishers - Pictures and Links (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/questions-about-porter-cable-7424xp-7424-7336-griot-s-meguiar-s-dual-action-polishers/27193-5-inch-backing-plates-da-polishers-pictures-links.html)

Thin is in... New Lake Country Hydro-Tech Low Profile 5 1/2 x 7/8 Inch Foam Pads (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/28825-thin-new-lake-country-hydro-tech-low-profile-5-1-2-x-7-8-inch-foam-pads.html)

More articles on DA Polishers under this section,


Dual Action Polishers


:)

[Kaban]

Menzerna SIP and 85rd all you need for that Camry.

[DM616]

Thank you all. I'm trying to get into the detailing scene as when I'm older and can actually afford a nicer car, it won't be neglected as most cars on the road are.

So, sometime in the future, I'll be investing in a Porter-Cable 7424 polisher. I think it will be a good beginning tool and can help with my scratched out Camry, even if the paint is in good condition.

Besides the polisher, Mike has said the other components I will need to purchase are:

-5.5 inch and 6 inch buffing pads
-5 inch backing plate

And along with this purchase, I'll be buying a polish (Menzerna SIP for example).

Would there be any other recommended products before waxing? Compound? I'll just say there are minor imperfections in the paint as medium (deep) scratches and some swirling.

Thank you. It seems I have to do a lot of research now on this lol.

[RTexasF]

With the PC you can skip the 6" pads in my opinion. (They actually go by 6.5".) Since you said this was the first time you clayed I kinda figured that you didn't own a buffer.

What Mike says is of course correct. A machine polish is the way to go. In the meantime a glaze will help since all of your work is done by hand. Poorboy's is another that can be put on above or below the last step product. If AG is out then get it from Poorboy's.