After #105/#205 combo

[Stride]

What should I use after using Meguiar's #105/#205 combo?
my steps are
1. 105 - orange pad
2. 205- grey or white pad
3.???? - do I need a glaze? such as Meguiars Mirror Glaze #3 Pro Machine Glaze (http://www.autogeek.net/mg03.html)or Meguiars Mirror Glaze #5 New Car Glaze (http://www.autogeek.net/menewcargl5.html)

4. Ultima Paint Guard Plus sealant
5. Pinnacle Liquid Souveran Wax- blue or red pad
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[Setec Astronomy]

No, you don't need a glaze, unless you want to use one of the CG's or Poorboy's...but wait--if you use 205 or one of those oily glazes you mention, you'll need to do some sort of cleaning step before you use the UPGP...which of course will remove the glaze.

I'd either skip the glaze entirely and do some sort of paint cleaning or use the Ultima prep product. OR--use something like this: Chemical Guys EZ-Creme Glaze w/Acrylic Shine II 16 oz. (http://www.autogeek.net/chemical-guys-ez-creme-glaze-shine.html) although I'm not a CG guy so I'm not sure if the UPGP will bond to that (IIRC it should clean up the 205 oils).

[Mike Phillips]

What are you working on?


Show Car?
Daily Driver?


Show Car = Menzerna SF 4500 – Super Finish Polish (http://www.autogeek.net/menzerna-final-finish-po85rd.html)

Daily Driver = Might as well go to wax if the paint looks great!


Menzerna - New Names and Product Numbers (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/products-guides/47067-menzerna-new-names-product-numbers.html)



:)

[ryanmcg1]

Mike I hear people say po85rd is rotary dependent what is our thoughts on using it with a GG DA is it jut a waste of time?

[eboose7]

I jewel the paint with Menzerna PO85rd using a Flex XC 3401, and I have had great success with the DA polisher and a tangerine jeweling pad.

[ryanmcg1]

What kind of tangerine jeweling pad because the LC hydro tech tangerine is a light cutting pad.

[DARK HORSE]

I've used a traditional DA, a Flex 3401 DA, and a rotary to jewel with using 85rd (using either a crimson HT, or black pad w/da, and a blue pad w/ rotary). IMO the rotary produces better results. But you can get good results with a DA. With any polisher, be sure to work the polish (a lot) till it is fully broken down. As soon as the polish starts to go clear, reduce the pressure. Continue working it. Once the polish has gone clear reduce the pressure significantly. Make a few final slow passes over the clear polish to bring out the gloss. At this point there is only VERY light polishing action left in the polish it is ultra fine, but it is still refining the surface ever so microscopically. Here is where I believe the extreme gloss comes from. Then I typically make a couple more slow passes with little pressure, to almost no pressure (when using a da you still need to apply some pressure, because of the erratic movement of the spindle). When using a PCxp I run it at full throttle the entire time. When using the 3401 I typically start out at around 5, and turn it down to 4 for the last few passes.

Using a rotary I typically break the polish down in 3 steps:

Stage 1 (1200-1400 rpms) - Firm pressure

Stage 2 (1000-1200 rpms)- Less pressure

Stage 3 (800-1000 rpms) - VERY Light pressure

[ryanmcg1]

I've used a traditional DA, a Flex 3401 DA, and a rotary to jewel with using 85rd (using either a crimson HT, or black pad w/da, and a blue pad w/ rotary). IMO the rotary produces better results.

Thanks for the info

[Stride]

Mike, I know u recommend staying with one brand. I don't think my car needs #105. What would be a good medium cut polish if I didn't want to use the #105 or only on some of the car?

[NFA]

Megs D300 or Megs Ultimate Compound would be the intermediate between M105 and M205.

But get some Menzerna SF4500. For a final polish before your LSP, it's hard to beat.

[Mike Phillips]

Mike I hear people say po85rd is rotary dependent what is our thoughts on using it with a GG DA is it jut a waste of time?

I get great results with it as a "finishing polish" with any tool. If the paint is polishable to start with SF 4500 works great.



Mike, I know u recommend staying with one brand. I don't think my car needs #105. What would be a good medium cut polish if I didn't want to use the #105 or only on some of the car?

I'm not sure I'm on record recommending to "not" mix brands when polishing paint but I am on record stating that when you stay within one "brand" there's a synergistic chemical compatibility between products.

There might not be any issues to freestyle, that is to use brand A followed by brand B followed by brand C and then topped with brand D because there's no way of really knowing. My point is always the odds are in your favor for success when using products in succession if they're all made by the same chemist. At least it makes common sense.

As for a good medium cut polish from Meguiar's? Try M86 Solo Cut & Polish Cream (http://www.autogeek.net/meguiars-solo-cut---polish-cream-86.html)

I've used the 80's series for decades and taught hundreds of classes with them but with DA Polishers they can tend to leave micro-marring if you strip the paint to inspect. Not on all paints but the SMAT product do seem to be more consistent in high quality results.

Another option would be to get some Optimum Polish II


Sorry for the late reply, I'm setting up the studio for the classes this weekend at Detail Fest.


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[Rsurfer]

That 205 you listed in your title would be a good medium polish if you wanted to stay with one brand. Menzerna Power Finish is another good medium polish as an alternative.:buffing:
Mike, I know u recommend staying with one brand. I don't think my car needs #105. What would be a good medium cut polish if I didn't want to use the #105 or only on some of the car?

[Mike Phillips]

That 205 you listed in your title would be a good medium polish if you wanted to stay with one brand. Menzerna Power Finish is another good medium polish as an alternative.:buffing:


I think of M205 as more of a fine cut polish but that's just me...


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[Stride]

Would wolfgang total swirl remover 3.0 and finishing glaze be a better combo then the meguairs? Or use wolfgang swirl remover followed by meguiars #205?

I dont want a lot of cut like #105 but more cut then optimum polish II

[Mike Phillips]

Would wolfgang total swirl remover 3.0 and finishing glaze be a better combo then the meguairs?




When you get to the level of quality for the product you're discussion it's not that one system is necessarily "better" as a skilled detailer can do wonders with any of these.

That said, the Wolfgang Twins would be a great approach, here's few success stories to show you...

How To Remove Horrible Rotary Buffer Swirl Marks out of a 350Z using the Wolfgang Twins (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/21413-horrible-swirl-marks.html)

Proof You Can Do It! - Joe The Detailer - Black Porsche Turned into Black Pearl! (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/25226-proof-you-can-do-joe-detailer-black-porsche-turned-into-black-pearl.html)

Wolfgang Twins (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/wolfgang-car-care/34641-wolfgang-twins.html)

Lessons I learned from a Black 2009 BMW 550i (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/33599-lessons-i-learned-black-2009-bmw-550i.html)

1957 Chevrolet Belair Extreme Makeover - Flex 3401 & Wolfgang Smackdown! (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/show-n-shine/20751-1957-chevrolet-belair-extreme-makeover-flex-3401-wolfgang-smackdown.html)


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