1970 Black Roadrunner, 3yr old repaint with clear, with hazing and swirls

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Up until now I have done all OEM paints. I have a friend with a 1970 Roadrunner that was repainted 3 yrs ago with clear coat and has haze and swirls from the using a unknown product. You can see the hazing and swirls in the pictures.

Looking for some advice on what products and pads I should use.

Currently have Megs 105, 205 and D300 along with Adams swirl and haze remover and Adams fine machine polish. Megs recommends only using the D300 and MF pads on OEM paints. I also have Adams Green,Orange, White and black pads along with Megs MF cutting and Finishing pads for my PC 7424 XP.

I was thinking to start with the white pad and the Megs 205 polish or Adams polish at setting 5 and if that doesn't work then move up to the orange or green pad. Then the Adams swirl and haze remover with orange and then green. If that doesn't work then the Megs 105 compound with a white pad and then maybe orange. Thoughts???

Sorry, used camera phone and the pics aren't that great but they are def. noticeable in the sunlight.

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Sorry can we move this to ask the experts section? thanx

[Flash Gordon]

Megs 105 w/orange pad speed 6

Megs 205 w/ black pad speed 5

Work in 2' x 2' sections (or smaller)


Look forward to the end results. 70 RR is one of my fav's :props:

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So I finally got to attempt a detail on this 70 Roadrunner and wasn't to happy with the results. Hood , roof and trunk don't know how old the paint is, left and right side approx. 3 yr old. Don't have a paint meter.

The process was:

Clay (car wash already washed)
Cleaned pad on the fly with a terry cloth after each panel
10-15 pds of pressure
Slow overlapping 6-8 passes with D300 then faster overlapping with D151
Then Megs 205 on MF 6 finishing disc at speed 3 then 5 with PC; wasn't happy
Then Megs 205 on MF 6 cutting disc at speed 3 then 5 with PC; wasn't happy
Then D300 on MF 6 finishing disc at speed 3 then 5 with PC; wasn't happy
Then D300 on MF 6 cutting disc at speed 3 then 5 with PC; wasn't happy but better results
Tried a test spot with D151 and the paint seem to like it better then Megs 205

Then D300 on MF 6 cutting disc at speed 3 then 5.5 with PC; ok results but still some RIDS and swirls but at this point I didn't want to push it w/o a meter and not knowing more details about paint.

Opted for D300 on MF6 cutting disc at speed 3 then 5.5 with PC, then D151 on MF6 finishing disc, then Collonite 845 with a LC Red Pad. Also used the MF 3 cutting/finishing discs on speed 3 (is 3 too high?) wasn't happy with these results either.

Here are the pics:
Look at the cloudyness in the first three pics, I couldn't get rid of it and it was only in this one spot.

http://i.imgur.com/GTwvx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BxjWB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zNuWE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5d8gO.jpg
The above pics are from the passenger side pillar that connects the roof to the rear quarter. Cloudyness occurred after using M205 on a MF 3 inch finishing disc on speed 3.
http://i.imgur.com/alwZ7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/y9DAE.jpg
Drivers side pillar doesn't look that bad, that is just dust an pollen in the pic.
http://i.imgur.com/E0WwD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CN4tb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/StDd9.jpg?2?3222
Finished trunk and top of rear quarters.
http://i.imgur.com/nthWu.jpg
Finished quarter

Bottom line is I have used this system with fantastic results before and I just could get the paint to my liking, the cloudyness is driving me crazy. The owner seemed happy and I only did the back half of the car, so I am going back next week to finish the front.

Thoughts, suggestions, comments for round two??????????????

[Eddie 70]

I will be subscribing to this one. I have a black 70 corvette that has newer paint on it and this is just one of the reasons I have been avoiding touching it. I bought M205 and some black pads to try but have been holding off.

[Meticulous-Detail]

Bump...............no suggestions or help?

[david79z28]

Bump!! Any suggestions???

Just curious.

Could this be something wrong with the clear coat?

[Mike Phillips]

Sorry I didn't get to this sooner, it was just brought to my attention via a PM

Hang on... I just read your follow-up posts... the initial posts were back in November of last year!


:D

[Mike Phillips]

So I finally got to attempt a detail on this 70 Roadrunner and wasn't to happy with the results. Hood , roof and trunk don't know how old the paint is, left and right side approx. 3 yr old. Don't have a paint meter.

The process was:

Clay (car wash already washed)

Cleaned pad on the fly with a terry cloth after each panel
10-15 pds of pressure

Slow overlapping 6-8 passes with D300 then faster overlapping with D151

Then Megs 205 on MF 6 finishing disc at speed 3 then 5 with PC; wasn't happy

Then Megs 205 on MF 6 cutting disc at speed 3 then 5 with PC; wasn't happy

Then D300 on MF 6 finishing disc at speed 3 then 5 with PC; wasn't happy

Then D300 on MF 6 cutting disc at speed 3 then 5 with PC; wasn't happy but better results

Tried a test spot with D151 and the paint seem to like it better then Megs 205

Then D300 on MF 6 cutting disc at speed 3 then 5.5 with PC; ok results but still some RIDS and swirls but at this point I didn't want to push it w/o a meter and not knowing more details about paint.

Opted for D300 on MF6 cutting disc at speed 3 then 5.5 with PC, then D151 on MF6 finishing disc, then Collonite 845 with a LC Red Pad.

Also used the MF 3 cutting/finishing discs on speed 3 (is 3 too high?) wasn't happy with these results either.

Thoughts, suggestions, comments for round two??????????????


I used bold red text for every time you used a fiber pad above.

Here's what I would recommend... get some 5.5" Lake Country Flat Pads, get the orange, white and black. For this paint get away from pads that use individual fibers.


Sometime in the future, add some Menzerna polishes to your arsenal, I have not found a paint system that could not be made flawless using Menzerna polishes.

Menzerna - New Names and Product Numbers (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/products-guides/47067-menzerna-new-names-product-numbers.html)





Up until now I have done all OEM paints. I have a friend with a 1970 Roadrunner that was repainted 3 yrs ago with clear coat and has haze and swirls from the using a unknown product. You can see the hazing and swirls in the pictures.


I was thinking to start with the white pad and the Megs 205 polish at setting 5




Keep in mind, Meguiar's only recommends their DA Microfiber Correction System for OEM paint for a reason.

I posted this a few times last week and that is to date, I still believe foam will finish out better and more consistently than any fiber pad.



:)

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I used bold red text for every time you used a fiber pad above.

Here's what I would recommend... get some 5.5" Lake Country Flat Pads, get the orange, white and black. For this paint get away from pads that use individual fibers.


Sometime in the future, add some Menzerna polishes to your arsenal, I have not found a paint system that could not be made flawless using Menzerna polishes.

Menzerna - New Names and Product Numbers (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/products-guides/47067-menzerna-new-names-product-numbers.html)






Keep in mind, Meguiar's only recommends their DA Microfiber Correction System for OEM paint for a reason.

I posted this a few times last week and that is to date, I still believe foam will finish out better and more consistently than any fiber pad.



:)

I have 5.5" Lake Country Flat Pads orange, white and black. Don't have any Menzerna polishes. I have Megs 205 and Optimum polishes. What combination will get rid of the cloundyness? Should I try 105 orange, 205 white and top with Collonite on the black? Should I skip the 105 and just use 205 with a white pad?

For the future I am going to stick using the MF system on OEM paint.

I will look into Menzerna polishes on the next purchase.

Also which glaze with fillers would you recommend for people that don't want to pay for paint correction? and do you apply the glaze and then seal or seal then glaze?

Thanx
Eric

[Mike Phillips]

I have 5.5" Lake Country Flat Pads orange, white and black. Don't have any Menzerna polishes. I have Megs 205 and Optimum polishes.



Try any of the Optimum Polishes like Polish II with a white polishing pad followed by Optimum Finish with the black finishing pad.

The M205 tends to leave micro-marring when used with a DA Polisher on softer paints...




What combination will get rid of the cloudiness? Should I try 105 orange, 205 white and top with Collinite on the black? Should I skip the 105 and just use 205 with a white pad?


I guess I'm not sure where you're at with this project. Normally if I were asked to re-do a body shops work and it was swirled out, with the product you have and using a DA Polisher,

M105 with a orange foam cutting pad to undo their damage
Optimum Polish II with a polishing pad to refine the results created by the M105
Optimum Finish to further refine and maximize gloss and clarity using the black finishing pad

The seal her up with a the Collinite. By machine preferably but however you like. I try to do everything by machine, especially on a show car and especially on a black show car.

Be sure to only apply a very thin coat and wipe it over super gently. Maybe in the future for show car work get a different finishing wax like one of the Pinnacle Paste waxes which are WOWO products and super easy for your customer to use after you're gone. (tell him to buy one and show him how to apply and remove it)

This video shows machine application and careful wipe-off techniques...




How to remove shallow RIDS and how to machine
apply both a paint sealant and a finishing wax

How to remove shallow RIDS and how to machine...














Also which glaze with fillers would you recommend for people that don't want to pay for paint correction? and do you apply the glaze and then seal or seal then glaze?

Thanx
Eric


I've never used glazes like you reference and I've never done that kind of work, I'm sure others will chime in. If you have customers that don't want to pay for show car work the do production detailing and skip the filling glazes all together.

Use a one-step cleaner wax and educate the customer that's what they get for their money and don't feel bad about it... that's all they want. They don't want the swirls removed they just want them shiny...

Read this...

A few tips on starting a part-time detailing business (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-make-money-detailing-cars/27827-few-tips-starting-part-time-detailing-business.html)
Match your services to your customer


And this,

The difference between a swirl and squirrel (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/off-topic/23142-difference-between-swirl-squirrel.html)


:)

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Big thanx Mike....................:xyxthumbs:

[Eddie 70]

inyadreems, post back how this works out for you. I am going to give it a shot with grey pads and M205 in a small spot on mine and see how it does. If it turns out nicely I will put some Collonite on it. If not, I will be looking for some Menzerna polish.

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inyadreems, post back how this works out for you. I am going to give it a shot with grey pads and M205 in a small spot on mine and see how it does. If it turns out nicely I will put some Collonite on it. If not, I will be looking for some Menzerna polish.

Rgr. Will finish the car on Saturday and post results and pics.

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Ok so I decided to go with Menzerna SF 4000 and a white polishing pad, and it did a great job of getting rid of the light swirls and bring up the color. Some of the scratches were deep and I tried some Optimum compound on a orange cutting disc but it didn't seem to do any better. The foam pads def. worked better on this paint and I topped it off Collonite. My waxes/sealants consist of mostly DG and Collonite products. I need to get a nice paste wax for show cars. I do have UPGP but didn't fit into the owners budget.

I now know why this car has some many swirls and scratches after hearing how the owner washes it. I gave him some washing and drying tips and told him to buy some new products.

The reason why I did not do a full compound and opted for the Menzerna polish was the owner had a certain budget. I also did the bumpers and wheels with DG All Metal Polish.

Sorry for the crappy pics, but I was in a rush to go home.