Petroleum based Carnuba spray wax...

[fredcandetail]

Have any of you guys used a product like this... I got a gallon for $17 and it's really good! The technology amazes me as it came in a thinner looking can, smell like petroleum solvents, is really greasy but works like a champ! When mixed in a 32oz bottle it separates to about a third of Carnuba looking thicker slush hence it always has to be shaken.
Application is a spray per section, wipe on haze and wipe off...
Anyone see or use a product like this before?

[jpegs13]

Way back when ( not that I would know) they used kerosene to shine fire trucks. :D

[Ron Atchison]

Yes and it was normally sold by a guy that would come by the shop do his sales pitch and never be seen again. Most times the stuff would look good until it was washed a couple times and then nothing. But it was usually cheap and car dealers like that a lot.

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Sounds like something you'd use at a car wash. :dunno:

[opie_7afe]

most waxes use petroleum products as a carrier solvent. some use natural solvents however. seems to me like a volume car wash jockey/car dealer product.

[Ted S.]

For some reason I keep having this mental image of a car goin' 60mph down the highway...literally on fire.





smokers...

[IBTROLLIN]

Don't do it! There was a discussion on a forum here in Australia about it. They marketing company has tried ambushing some of us at petrol stations in order to put their product on our cars. General consensus is that the results have not been good in comparison to many other products. I don't mean to offend the OP, to each their own after all, but it's not something I'd probably recommend using.

[CEE DOG]

Nope, never used it

[Mike Phillips]

Just to note, there are all kinds of "Petroleum Distillates", for example Chap Stick brand lip balm which is made from 44% Petrolatums

http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2chapstick.jpg


I once asked chemist about solvents used in car care products and he said it's the quality of the solvents that matter and all too often the general public just lumps all solvents into the same category.


He said,

"there are good solvents and bad solvent, the way you make a good solvent is take all the icky things out of the bad solvent"


He actually went more in-depth than that but the above was his initial answers. Here's the deal, the more refining you do to a bad solvent to make it a good solvent the more it costs...

This goes back to, you get what you pay for because you can't offer a product at a low price using costly ingredients, you won't make a profit and you'll go out of business.

Good business is making a profit, that way you and your company and your products endure over time. Bad business is not making a profit, thus you go out of business and you can't help anyone.

That's why I'm a big fan of win/win business, that is everyone wins. For the customer they get a product that does what the manufacture claims it will do, the customer uses it and the product solves their problem, that is this person's profit. The seller makes enough money to cover all costs and overhead and still has something leftover, that's their profit.

Typically, if you smell a product and it has a strong oder of solvents, the odor you're smelling are the V.O.C's. These are generally speaking the icky things, a good solvent has had them removed.

Also just to note, water is a solvent and an abrasive but most people don't ever think of it this way... it dissolves mud off a muddy 4-wheel drive and it carved out the Grand Canyon.


:)

[shoeless89]

Hmm interesting . . .

[fredcandetail]

Mike msds says 35-40% mineral spirits and 20-25% Trimethyl benzzenes What's your take on this ?

[FUNX650]

Mike msds says 35-40% mineral spirits and 20-25% Trimethyl benzzenes What's your take on this ?

I'm not Mike, you know. But...Here's my take on this: Your product in question has anywhere between 55-65% worth of petroleum distillates. And...

Trimethyl benzene is immiscible/won't dissolve in water, but will dissolve in mineral oil (such as this product's MSDS states). When used in, let's say, car care products it acts a reagent for creating a "shine".

We used to call chemicals that performed in this manner scintillators.

For your product we might have called it a:Scent-illator :D J/K ???



Pertinent info here, IMO.

[Source: EPA website]

CHEMICALS IN THE ENVIRONMENT: 1,2,4-TRIMETHYLBENZENE (CAS NO. 95-63-6)
prepared by
OFFICE OF POLLUTION PREVENTION AND TOXICS
U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY


__________________________________________________ _________________________

__________________________________________________ _________________________

WHAT IS 1,2,4-TRIMETHYLBENZENE, HOW IS IT USED, AND HOW MIGHT I BE EXPOSED?

1,2,4-Trimethylbenzene (also called TMB or pseudocumene) is a color-
less, flammable liquid. It occurs naturally in coal tar and petroleum
crude oil. It is a major component (typically 40%) of a petroleum
refinery distillation fraction known as the C9 aromatic fraction (or simply
the C9 fraction). Oil refineries produce large amounts (an estimated 80
billion pounds) of the C9 fraction each year. Most of the C9 fraction is
not isolated. Refineries pump this "unrecovered" C9 fraction to some other
location where it is usually added directly to gasoline. Refineries
isolate less than one-half percent of the C9 fraction. Companies add this
"recovered" C9 fraction to protective surface coatings and cleaners.

Oil refineries generally do not isolate 1,2,4-trimethylbenzene from
crude oil or from the C9 fraction. Currently only one refinery in the
United States "recovers" TMB. The Environmental Protection Agency
estimates that the amount of "recovered" 1,2,4-trimethylbenzene is in
excess of 10 million pounds per year. US demand for this isolated 1,2,4-
trimethylbenzene is likely to remain stable. The largest users of isolated
1,2,4-trimethylbenzene are chemical companies that make trimellitic
anhydride. {See below for definition ~Bob}
Companies also use it to make dyes and drugs.

Exposure to 1,2,4 trimethylbenzene can occur in the workplace or in
the environment following releases to air, water, land, or groundwater.
Exposure can also occur when people use gasoline or certain paints and
cleaners. 1,2,4-Trimethylbenzene enters the body when breathed in with
contaminated air or when consumed with contaminated food or water. It can
also be absorbed through skin contact. It may remain in the body, stored
in fat, before its removal in expired air or in urine.

WHAT HAPPENS TO 1,2,4-TRIMETHYLBENZENE IN THE ENVIRONMENT?

1,2,4-Trimethylbenzene evaporates when exposed to air. It dissolves
only slightly when mixed with water. Most direct releases of 1,2,4-tri-
methylbenzene to the environment are to air. It also evaporates from water
and soil exposed to air. Once in air, it breaks down to other chemicals.
Microorganisms that live in water and in soil can also break down TMB.
Because it is a liquid that does not bind well to soil, 1,2,4-trimethyl-
benzene that makes its way into the ground can move through the ground and
enter groundwater. Plants and animals living in environments contaminated
with TMB can store small amounts of the chemical.

HOW DOES 1,2,4-TRIMETHYLBENZENE AFFECT HUMAN HEALTH AND THE ENVIRONMENT?

Effects of 1,2,4-trimethylbenzene on human health and the environment
depend on how much TMB is present and the length and frequency of exposure.
Effects also depend on the health of a person or the condition of the
environment when exposure occurs.

Breathing large amounts of 1,2,4-trimethylbenzene for short periods of
time adversely affects the human nervous system. Effects range from
headaches to fatigue and drowsiness. TMB vapor irritates the nose and the
throat. Prolonged contact with liquid TMB irritates the skin. These
effects are not likely to occur at levels of 1,2,4-trimethylbenzene that
are normally found in the environment.

Human health effects associated with breathing or otherwise consuming
smaller amounts of 1,2,4-trimethylbenzene are not known. The petroleum
industry has conducted several studies on the C9 fraction in response to an
EPA request for testing. These studies show that repeat exposure to this
mixture of chemicals in air adversely affects the reproductive system and
the developing fetus of animals. EPA believes that adverse effects
associated with exposure to the C9 fraction are similar to those expected
to occur as a result of exposure to individual chemicals, like 1,2,4-tri-
methylbenzene, that make up this mixture.

1,2,4-Trimethylbenzene by itself is not likely to cause environmental
harm at levels normally found in the environment. TMB can contribute to
the formation of photochemical smog when it reacts with other volatile
organic carbon substance in air.


WHAT EPA PROGRAM OFFICES REGULATE 1,2,4-TRIMETHYLBENZENE, AND UNDER WHAT
LAWS IS IT REGULATED?
__________________________________________________ ________________________
EPA OFFICE LAW PHONE NUMBER
__________________________________________________ ________________________
Pollution Prevention Toxic Substances Control Act (202) 554-1404
& Toxics Emergency Planning and Community
Right-to-Know Act (EPCRA)
Regulations (Sec. 313) (800) 424-9346
Toxics Release Inventory data (202) 260-1531
Air Clean Air Act (919) 541-0888
Solid Waste & EPCRA (Sec. 311/312) (800) 424-9346
Emergency Response

A technical support document can be requested from the TSCA Assistance
Information Service, (202) 554-1404.


Note: Trimellitic anhydride (Source OSHA's web site)

"Trimellitic anhydride is used as a curing agent for epoxy and other resins. It is also used in vinyl chloride plasticizers, various polymers and polyesters, agricultural chemicals, dyes and pigments, paints and coatings, pharmaceuticals, surface active agents, numerous modifiers and intermediates, and specialty chemicals."


:)

Bob

[fredcandetail]

Ok so it can kill me after a while ... But is it relatively safe on CC/BC?
I waxed (PL) last week then washed my truck last night and hit it real quick with the spray stuff and it "looks" awesome .. I wonder if the mineral spirits removed some of the PL... Thoughts?

[FUNX650]

Ok so it can kill me after a while ... But is it relatively safe on CC/BC?
I waxed (PL) last week then washed my truck last night and hit it real quick with the spray stuff and it "looks" awesome .. I wonder if the mineral spirits removed some of the PL... Thoughts?

That's the story of my life...and everybody else, too....we're all going to die, sooner or later, of something or the other.:laughing:

Your epitaph may read:

"Here Lies Fred...

He didn't care about his BC/CC paint systems then,
And he sure can not care about them now...
'Cause Good ol' Fred, lies here Dead"

J/K, my friend. :)


Mineral Spirits:

There has been posts where folks use it to "strip" the paint surface for that 'squeaky-cleanliness' effect for inspection purposes and before applying their LSP's.

Now that's usually at a 100% Mineral Spirits ratio.
Don't really know if your spray-product, listed at 35-40% ratio Mineral Spirits, would be quite as effective for "total stripping" purposes...But it just may take (strip) your PL off down to at least its G-string and pasties!

:)

Bob

[BWG707]

Water pressure and the things carried in the water is what carved the Grand Canyons.