Which Megs Wax with DA

[John1988]

Hey everyone, I would like to apply wax with a PC. Which Meguiars wax/sealant would be best to apply with a DA? Paste or liquid? I don't want the wax to leave residue on rubber/plastic trim either, and easy removal is a plus. Not looking for a cleaner wax or one that has a lot of fillers. I usually just use those cheapo $5 spray waxes, so this is all new to me. Thanks!

These are the choices:

-Ultimate Liquid Wax
-Ultimate Paste Wax
-NXT Tech Wax 2.0
-NXT Tech Wax Paste Wax 2.0
-M20
-M21
-M26
-Gold Class Liquid Wax
-Deep Crystal Carnuba Wax

[IOMCAMARO]

Are you trying to go OTC? If not, I wouldn't just stick with Meg's. Blackfire Wet Diamond and Menzerna Powelock are my two favorite sealants. If you do have to stick with Meg's I'd go with M21 or M26. I prefer their Mirror Glaze line over the rest of their stuff.

[John1988]

Are you trying to go OTC? If not, I wouldn't just stick with Meg's. Blackfire Wet Diamond and Menzerna Powelock are my two favorite sealants. If you do have to stick with Meg's I'd go with M21 or M26. I prefer their Mirror Glaze line over the rest of their stuff.

Well this time I'm ordering from ADS because they are closer and have small 12oz. sampler bottles. My main big order with the PC is coming from AG and should be here on Friday, so I want my wax and stuff to be here by Friday too. ADS is a bit limited to mostly Megs stuff, and Menzerna powerlock is sold out there.

I was sorta rushed when I ordered my PC and stuff because the free shipping promo clock was below 10 minutes. So I placed an order with what I had at the time.

Btw, do you think the porter cable carpet brush + Megs carpet and upholstery cleaner will be able to clean a big apple juice stain on cloth seats? Just saw the stain in my aunts Venza the other day, and would like to clean it up for her.


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[IOMCAMARO]

Before trying the carpet brush, I would just try to use a scrub brush and the cleaner. Idk if the PC brush would be too rough on seats. If you want to do that, I'd definitely go with either the Meg's M21 or I'd even give Optimum Opti-seal a shot. I love Opti-seal. It is amazing stuff, and you don't have to use a pc to wax an entire car in 15 minutes.

[BobbyG]

Are you trying to go OTC? If not, I wouldn't just stick with Meg's. Blackfire Wet Diamond and Menzerna Powelock are my two favorite sealants. If you do have to stick with Meg's I'd go with M21 or M26. I prefer their Mirror Glaze line over the rest of their stuff.

Meguiar's #26 Hi-Tech Wax is a very nice wax from their Mirror Glaze line. It's easy to use by hand or with a dual action polisher and a blue or red foam pad... :props:

[umi000]

Meg's say that the Ultimate Liquid wax won't stain trim. I've heard that the others can sometimes. Not tried them myself to test, though.

[EuroFD]

Among the Megs products, I've used the Hi-Tech Yellow Wax, and the Showtime Glaze with a polisher. I liked the even results versus by-hand applications. For corrective products, I've used the M205 and Ultimate Compound. I've read from the Megs site that all new products are safe to use either by hand or DA.

[truckbutt]

1. Save yourself hours(days) of headaches. Tape off your trim. We have multiple threads on how to get dried wax off plastic trim to attest to this.
2. IMHO the best Megs wax for a red or black is Meguiars Gold Class Pluss. If you're using DA go with the liquid. M21 is a great sealant but will not give you a rich carnauba look. I often use M21 for two coats followed by the Gold Class Plus. The M21 lasts for 3-6 months and the GC will last 3-4 weks. So you just wash and reapply the GC once a month.
3. If you have a dark color car and want a very rich shine, consider the Blackfire Wet Diamond Sealant as mentioned above.
4. M26 is a great wax that's been around for some time. It is however IMHO surpassed in gloss and depth by the Gold Class.

[Mike Phillips]

Hey everyone, I would like to apply wax with a PC. Which Meguiars wax/sealant would be best to apply with a DA? Paste or liquid?


Liquid products are the easiest to apply by machine because you can simply pour some product directly onto the face of the pad or onto the car. Pastes can be used by machine you just have to use the right technique for the particular wax you're using to get it out of the can or jar and onto the pad. In my new e-book I show 3-4 ways to do this. Here are some articles on the topic also...

How-to Machine Apply Wax using a DA Polisher (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/pinnacle-wax/28651-how-machine-apply-wax-using-da-polisher.html)

How to Apply Dodo Pastes Waxes by Machine (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/25737-how-apply-dodo-pastes-waxes-machine.html)

How To Apply Mothers California Gold Carnauba Paste Wax by Machine (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/25725-how-apply-mothers-california-gold-pure-carnauba-paste-machine.html)


Those three articles are in my article list (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/23722-articles-mike-phillips.html) under a section titled,

Dual Action Polishers


If you haven't already, and you're new to machine polishing, maybe check out that section as there lots of articles specific to the DA Polisher. Like these four...

DA Polisher Trouble Shooting Guide (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/37769-da-polisher-trouble-shooting-guide.html)

How to prime a foam pad when using a DA Polisher (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/35292-how-prime-foam-pad-when-using-da-polisher.html)

The short how-to guide for using a DA Polisher
How to maximize the ability of the 1st Generation Porter Cable Dual Action Polishers (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/27166-how-maximize-ability-1st-gen-porter-cable-dual-action-polishers.html)

DA Polisher Articles - Help for Newbies to Machine Polishing (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/questions-about-porter-cable-7424xp-7424-7336-griot-s-meguiar-s-dual-action-polishers/38399-da-polisher-articles-help-newbies-machine-polishing.html)






I don't want the wax to leave residue on rubber/plastic trim either, and easy removal is a plus.



Unless the product specifically states it won't stain trim then either,

Avoid running the buffing pad over the trim. Easy to talk about, hard for most people to avoid.

Or tape-off your trim beforehand. This takes a little time but if you cream your black plastic trim over with a wax residue that stains white, it's pretty hard to remove 100% of it forever.




Not looking for a cleaner wax or one that has a lot of fillers. I usually just use those cheapo $5 spray waxes, so this is all new to me. Thanks!


Cleaner/waxes are GREAT! If you're car is a daily driver and you haven't waxed it in a while because they will clean the surface and this enables the protection ingredients to bite or bond to the paint better.

A good bond helps for two reasons,

Helps the wax to last longer
Helps the wax to protect longer, (because it lasted longer on the surface)


So the questions are...


What are you working on?
What condition is the paint currently in?


See this guide, also on my article list...

What condition is the paint on your vehicles? (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/off-topic/38689-what-condition-paint-your-vehicles.html)

Using the guide below, inspect the paint on your car or cars, trucks, SUVs, etc. And then post which category you think each vehicle matches.


Show Car Quality
Paint in this condition is as perfect as it can be in any lighting condition. The only defects you should see are fingerprints, smudges or light dust on what otherwise appears to be a flawless show car finish.

The finish on a car in this category can hold up to close scrutiny under bright lights by the most discerning eyes.

The paint in this category has been put through a series of machine polishing procedures to maximize D.O.I, gloss, clarity, depth, reflection, richness of color, shine and even slickness.

If needed, the paint has been sanded, cut and buffed to remove orange peel and any other surface texture to create a 100% flat surface to maximize D.O.I.

RIDS have been removed to the extent that it is safe to do so without compromising the top coat. Paint is meticulously cared for on an as needed basis to ensure that it is always display ready.



Excellent Condition
The paint in this category looks factory new or better than factory new.

The paint looks like it has been professionally machine polished and sealed with a wax, paint sealant or coating and is regularly maintained.

When viewed in bright sunlight, the paint looks excellent, that is there are few or no visible swirls or scratches or so few that there's not enough of them to require machine polishing.

The paint has few or no swirls, scratches or any other visible paint defects outside of RIDS.



Good Condition
Light swirls, scratches, water spots and oxidation.

When viewed in bright sunlight, the paint should look pretty good overall except that it has light or shallow looking cobweb swirls and scratches throughout the paint. Any water spot problems should be shallow imprint type stains common to Type I Water Spots, certainly not deep craters like Type II or Type III where the paint is physically stained.

Paint in this condition would require one or two polishing steps before a finishing wax could be applied to bring the quality to Excellent or Show Car Quality.



Mildly Neglected
Normal day-in, day-out wear-n-tear and minimal appearance maintenance outside of the occasional car wash. Paint in this condition has medium to light swirls, scratches, water spots and oxidation.


Cobweb Swirls and Scratches
When viewed in bright, overhead sunlight there are cobweb swirls and scratches evenly instilled throughout the entire finish but they're likely instilled through improper washing and drying techniques, which means the depth of these defects won't be as deep as the swirls and scratches in a severely neglected finish. The swirls are not inflicted by a rotary buffer. The remedy is still the same except you might be able to use a less aggressive pad or product.

Water Spots
Paint with Type I Water Spots or shallow Type II Water Spots that are more imprints than they are craters falls into this category.

Oxidation, Staining and Surface Impurities
If the car being evaluated is a daily driver, is parked outside 24/7 and has not been regularly polished and/or waxed for a few years then chances are good it has light oxidation and staining of the paint with some type of roadgrime or a build-up of impurities or some type of topical contamination that does not wash or wipe-off.Severely Neglected
Paint in this condition has deep swirls, scratches, water spots and oxidation. Paint in this condition has normal day-in, day-out wear-n-tear plus no real regular maintenance. Vehicles in this category are rarely washed on a regular basis and when they are washed they are washed improperly or taken through automatic car wash.



Cobweb Swirls and Scratches
Paint that is severely neglected means that when viewed in bright, overhead sunlight, there are so many swirls and scratches that the paint has an overall hazy appearance which blocks your view of the true color.


Water Spots
Paint that is in the severely neglected category can have Type I, Type II and Type III water spots on all horizontal panels and even the vertical panels if caused by a sprinkler or some type of water spray.


Severe Oxidation
Paint in this category has oxidized to the point where the surface has a uniform dull appearance to the horizontal surfaces and to some extent the vertical panels. Clear coats do oxidize but usually slower than single stage paints and don't normally get the whitish, chalky appearance with a rough texture common to old, neglected single stage lacquers and enamels.Rotary Buffer Swirls
This category is primarily for cars that have been improperly buffed-out using a rotary buffer leaving the finish inflicted with rotary buffer swirls, holograms or buffer trails. (Whatever term you like, they all mean the same thing).

The severity of the swirls can range from shallow to deep depending upon the pad and product used with the rotary buffer as well as technique or lack thereof.


Extreme Oxidation
Paint is this category is primarily associated with traditional single stage lacquer and enamel paints and normally found cars built before 1980. Extreme Oxidation means the paint has deteriorated to the point that it has a chalky, whitish appearance.

Paint in this category is typically antique or original. It can be a re-paint, but it would be an older re-repaint. Paint with extreme oxidation can be saved by carefully removing the dead, oxidized paint and rejuvenating with polishing oils the remaining paint. After polishing the color is restored and remains even when exposed to sunlight. If the color fades away then this is an indicator that the paint has become unstable.



Extreme Orange Peel
Paint in this category is primarily re-paints from body shops, dealerships or do-it-yourselfer garage paint jobs. It doesn't normally include factory orange peel because factory orange peel is a given for new cars and truck and due to how thin the top coat is on a factory paint job there's a certain amount of risk you have to accept if you choose to remove the factory orange peel while re-paints will tend to have enough material that the problem can be safely corrected via sanding and buffing.



Unstable
This category is for older, single stage paints that have been exposed to the sun for a long enough period of time that the pigments have become unstable. That is even if you remove the oxidation and gorge the paint with some type of polishing oils, any original color that is restored is only a temporary fix and when the paint is exposed to the sun or after a few days pass the color fades back to where it was before you started.



Clear Coat Failure
Clear coat failure is the point in which the top clear layer of paint has either de-laminated from the basecoat and is peeling off. Clear coat failure can also be when the clear layer of paint has deteriorated to the point where it's turning a whitish color in the beginning stages to full blown deterioration where it has turned white and is flaking off and the car look like it has a severe rash.




Past the point of no return
Paint in this condition will be a paint job that falls into one of the above categories but it is so far gone that nothing you pour out of a bottle or scoop out of a can from any company will fix it.


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[sal329]

M21 and or M26 are both great

[John1988]

Ordered M26, can I apply to the whole vehicle before buffing off? Is M26 one of the waxes that will stain trim?

Mike, my trucks paint is in good shape, I've always washed, clayed, waxed it myself properly. Just some minor swirls, that's it. Only thing is I never polished it, well I guess I tried doing the hood by hand once or twice. But I had the wrong idea of polishing before. I thought you wipe on and wipe off like wax lol! Never knew you were suppose to work it in. Always had to use QD to remove the polish, because it was never broken down I guess. Anyways I know now! Thanks to your vids and articles.

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