Spit shining

[lkotsios]

Anybody out there use the spit shine method, and is it worth the extra effort?

[poweraid]

I like that . lol unless u down with a cold and have a lot of runoff I don't feel a reg spit shine has enough lube to prevent any marring . but no I don't spit shine . I have lot better products to use on my vehicle than spit. lol . it kinda like would you urinate on u tires and wheels to clean them ? idk I'm just being funny , forgive me .

[lkotsios]

I like that . lol unless u down with a cold and have a lot of runoff I don't feel a reg spit shine has enough lube to prevent any marring . but no I don't spit shine . I have lot better products to use on my vehicle than spit. lol . it kinda like would you urinate on u tires and wheels to clean them ? idk I'm just being funny , forgive me .
I am talking about the method of using chilled distilled water and a nuba in applying multiple layers.

[BobbyG]

Some polish, spit, a rag, and my combat boots in 1972 yes....for detailing no....

[BobbyG]

I am talking about the method of using chilled distilled water and a nuba in applying multiple layers.

Hmmmm, I've never heard of it, tell me more...

[poweraid]

never heard of it either . What is exactly the method ? apply Nuba and then mist with the chilled distilled and buff?

[lkotsios]

Hmmmm, I've never heard of it, tell me more...
Day after waxing, spritz cold distilled water on surface before waxing and while waxing apply wax very thin. Wax until all wax is gone then wipe all excess water repeat in half hour. Cold water neutralizes solvents in wax allowing nuba to layer. Personally I have never tried it. If you do
various searches on the net there is plenty of info out there.

[lkotsios]

never heard of it either . What is exactly the method ? apply Nuba and then mist with the chilled distilled and buff?
It sound like you have heard of it.

[FUNX650]

Hmmmm, I've never heard of it, tell me more...

Here is one example BobbyG

Sourced from TOGWT's posts on:
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'Spit Shining’(Bull polishing)

[Spit shining is the technique that is used to make shoes shine like mirrors - - and some of those tricks can be applied to putting carnauba on your car's paint] NickT

It’s not as lurid as it sounds, I learned how to spit shine boots in the Royal Air Force (RAF), but for those of you who’ve never done it I’ll briefly describe how to spit shine boots to a mirror finish. You’ll need a can of Kiwi shoe wax, a bag of cotton balls, and some cold water. Wet the cotton ball and squeeze out most of the water. Get a very small amount of wax on the cotton ball and wipe it onto the boot - continue wiping until there is no more smudging. Add a little more wax and repeat.

Re-moisten the cotton ball as needed so that it leaves tiny beads of water on the boots. When the cotton ball retains too much wax, then use a new cotton ball, it takes several layers (maybe 6 to 10 or more) to achieve that mirror shine. It’s obvious that the wax builds layers because enough flexing of the leather will cause the wax to flake.

Spit shining is used for ‘layering’ Organic wax (although in this case the 'spit' used is cold distilled water) to produce a ‘depth of shine’ providing you take the necessary precautions to prevent the solvents both re-liquefying and removing the previous wax layers.

What you are doing is dissolving the solvents so that it doesn't remove the previous layer. One of the very important nuances of layering is to use very little applied pressure and friction when applying subsequent layers as they will have a negative impact on wax thickness Usually a spit shined surface is slicker, smoother, and has different beading characteristics; with even smaller tighter water beads. The durability is about the same (or slightly better) and although spit shining is very time consuming, the improved depth of shine and glossy appearance is worth it

Usually, a wax with a high solvent content will remove the previous layer, so use a Carnauba that is not formulated with a high solvent content (Pinnacle Souverän) A solvent will have the potential to strip subsequent layers, but remember that you are not applying neat solvent to the last layer - but a wax and solvent blend. So it is only a fraction of its original strength and won't strip the wax layer like neat solvent. One of the very important nuances of layering is to use very little applied pressure and friction when applying subsequent layers as they will have a negative impact on wax thickness

Using a damp applicator and cold (almost ice) distilled water in a fine mist spray bottle neutralizes any solvents in the newly applied layer; the water should be cold, using ice cold water after applying a wax will harden the wax quicker making the shine deeper and help the new wax adhere to the finish, working until the water/ wax solution disappears.The reason for using a damp applicator is to neutralize the solvents as much as possible, and to avoid the thin coats of wax sticking to the applicator, this enables the wax to build thin, fine coats. Spray fine mists of cold (almost ice) distilled water to a single panel and then apply a light Carnauba wax to the paint surface.

Always apply extremely thin layers using a very light pressure when spit shining, Wipe it onto a small work area and continue wiping until most of the wax disappears. Mist lightly as needed, keeping a few water droplets on the surface. Move to the next work area and repeat. After you do the final area you’ll have a surface with many spots of hazed wax. Lightly mist an area with the very cold distilled water - 1/2 hood or door - and lightly buff with a MF towel. Turn the towel frequently, when the towel becomes too damp switch to a new towel.

When you spray very cold water on a Carnauba wax layer that has been allowed to outgas (i.e. the solvents that make up its carrier system have evaporated) it reduces the wax surface temperature to the point that the next applied waxes carrier solvents do not dilute the previously applied wax and it forms a semi-hard coat.

Allow each subsequent Carnauba waxes solvents to outgas before applying more layers. Spit shining allows definitive layers, as opposed to a thick coat of wax that would result if the solvents dissolve the wax layer that they are applied to.

After 24 hours you can repeat the procedure, using cold (almost ice) distilled water and Pinnacle Crystal Mist (a low solvent quick detail (QD) each coat applied will increase the surface depth of shine with five or six coats being optimal

Use a low-solvent wax (Victoria Concours Wax, Souverän or P21S) Some wax products use an emulsion to keep more liquid without adding solvents which, in high concentrations could remove the underlying wax too rapidly to allow the "melting" together of the wax" strata.

Also:

Spit shining is used for ‘layering’ Organic wax (although in this case the 'spit' used is cold distilled water) to produce a ‘depth of shine’ providing you take the necessary precautions to prevent the solvents both re-liquefying and removing the previous wax layers.

What you are doing is dissolving the solvents so that it doesn't remove the previous layer. One of the very important nuances of layering is to use very little applied pressure and friction when applying subsequent layers as they will have a negative impact on wax thickness Usually a spit shined surface is slicker, smoother, and has different beading characteristics; with even smaller tighter water beads.

The durability is about the same (or slightly better) and although spit shining is very time consuming, the improved depth of shine and glossy appearance is worth it

:)

Bob

[lkotsios]

Hmmmm, I've never heard of it, tell me more...
Bobby can you give me your opinion on my earlier post today titled "Which pad". Thanks.

[FUNX650]

Here is one example BobbyG

Sourced from TOGWT's posts on:
forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/concours-and-car-care/633513-optimal-time-between-wax-layers
__________________________________________________ __

'Spit Shining’(Bull polishing)

[Spit shining is the technique that is used to make shoes shine like mirrors - - and some of those tricks can be applied to putting carnauba on your car's paint] NickT

It’s not as lurid as it sounds, I learned how to spit shine boots in the Royal Air Force (RAF), but for those of you who’ve never done it I’ll briefly describe how to spit shine boots to a mirror finish. You’ll need a can of Kiwi shoe wax, a bag of cotton balls, and some cold water. Wet the cotton ball and squeeze out most of the water. Get a very small amount of wax on the cotton ball and wipe it onto the boot - continue wiping until there is no more smudging. Add a little more wax and repeat.

Re-moisten the cotton ball as needed so that it leaves tiny beads of water on the boots. When the cotton ball retains too much wax, then use a new cotton ball, it takes several layers (maybe 6 to 10 or more) to achieve that mirror shine. It’s obvious that the wax builds layers because enough flexing of the leather will cause the wax to flake.

Spit shining is used for ‘layering’ Organic wax (although in this case the 'spit' used is cold distilled water) to produce a ‘depth of shine’ providing you take the necessary precautions to prevent the solvents both re-liquefying and removing the previous wax layers.

What you are doing is dissolving the solvents so that it doesn't remove the previous layer. One of the very important nuances of layering is to use very little applied pressure and friction when applying subsequent layers as they will have a negative impact on wax thickness Usually a spit shined surface is slicker, smoother, and has different beading characteristics; with even smaller tighter water beads. The durability is about the same (or slightly better) and although spit shining is very time consuming, the improved depth of shine and glossy appearance is worth it

Usually, a wax with a high solvent content will remove the previous layer, so use a Carnauba that is not formulated with a high solvent content (Pinnacle Souverän) A solvent will have the potential to strip subsequent layers, but remember that you are not applying neat solvent to the last layer - but a wax and solvent blend. So it is only a fraction of its original strength and won't strip the wax layer like neat solvent. One of the very important nuances of layering is to use very little applied pressure and friction when applying subsequent layers as they will have a negative impact on wax thickness

Using a damp applicator and cold (almost ice) distilled water in a fine mist spray bottle neutralizes any solvents in the newly applied layer; the water should be cold, using ice cold water after applying a wax will harden the wax quicker making the shine deeper and help the new wax adhere to the finish, working until the water/ wax solution disappears.The reason for using a damp applicator is to neutralize the solvents as much as possible, and to avoid the thin coats of wax sticking to the applicator, this enables the wax to build thin, fine coats. Spray fine mists of cold (almost ice) distilled water to a single panel and then apply a light Carnauba wax to the paint surface.

Always apply extremely thin layers using a very light pressure when spit shining, Wipe it onto a small work area and continue wiping until most of the wax disappears. Mist lightly as needed, keeping a few water droplets on the surface. Move to the next work area and repeat. After you do the final area you’ll have a surface with many spots of hazed wax. Lightly mist an area with the very cold distilled water - 1/2 hood or door - and lightly buff with a MF towel. Turn the towel frequently, when the towel becomes too damp switch to a new towel.

When you spray very cold water on a Carnauba wax layer that has been allowed to outgas (i.e. the solvents that make up its carrier system have evaporated) it reduces the wax surface temperature to the point that the next applied waxes carrier solvents do not dilute the previously applied wax and it forms a semi-hard coat.

Allow each subsequent Carnauba waxes solvents to outgas before applying more layers. Spit shining allows definitive layers, as opposed to a thick coat of wax that would result if the solvents dissolve the wax layer that they are applied to.

After 24 hours you can repeat the procedure, using cold (almost ice) distilled water and Pinnacle Crystal Mist (a low solvent quick detail (QD) each coat applied will increase the surface depth of shine with five or six coats being optimal

Use a low-solvent wax (Victoria Concours Wax, Souverän or P21S) Some wax products use an emulsion to keep more liquid without adding solvents which, in high concentrations could remove the underlying wax too rapidly to allow the "melting" together of the wax" strata.

Also:

Spit shining is used for ‘layering’ Organic wax (although in this case the 'spit' used is cold distilled water) to produce a ‘depth of shine’ providing you take the necessary precautions to prevent the solvents both re-liquefying and removing the previous wax layers.

What you are doing is dissolving the solvents so that it doesn't remove the previous layer. One of the very important nuances of layering is to use very little applied pressure and friction when applying subsequent layers as they will have a negative impact on wax thickness Usually a spit shined surface is slicker, smoother, and has different beading characteristics; with even smaller tighter water beads.

The durability is about the same (or slightly better) and although spit shining is very time consuming, the improved depth of shine and glossy appearance is worth it

:)

Bob

I'd like to add this statement from a tech expert at Meguire's:

"We recommend two thin layers just for uniform coverage and appearance. We have yet to see anyone definitely prove that you can continue to build layer upon layer of a sealant or wax. That said, we aren't going to stop you if you want to try it, but we will always recommend against that practice with our waxes and sealants."

Bob

[poweraid]

yes I have never heard of it . thought u were really speaking of a true spit shine .forgive me I was just being funny . if this is a method kinda a bad name to go with it . IMO . I'm fairly new to this forum but I visit it everyday and multiple times and I have never come across it. layering nubas fairly common and why the need to neutralize the solvents with distilled idk . wouldn't the solvents just evaporate along with the buff cycle? a process I would not adhere to. , I just simply layer. give some more feedback on this method . we all here to learn .

[BobbyG]

Bobby can you give me your opinion on my earlier post today titled "Which pad". Thanks.

I'll see if I can find it....

[poweraid]

now that's an in depth explanation of what "spit shine" is. I gotta read some more .

[lkotsios]

yes I have never heard of it . thought u were really speaking of a true spit shine .forgive me I was just being funny . if this is a method kinda a bad name to go with it . IMO . I'm fairly new to this forum but I visit it everyday and multiple times and I have never come across it. layering nubas fairly common and why the need to neutralize the solvents with distilled idk . wouldn't the solvents just evaporate along with the buff cycle? a process I would not adhere to. , I just simply layer. give some more feedback on this method . we all here to learn .
The solvents will melt previous layer so if you neutralize solvents you can build up nuba layers. You need a low solvent nuba for best results.