carsmetic
05-16-2011, 08:13 PM
After using the new da mf system for about 20 pretty bad cars now I am very impressed with the cutting part of the system, little to no dust, easy clean up, no gumming and effective resutls. There is a learning curve to both the 300 and 301. I blew out a couple pads quickly and have done 6 or more cars with the same pad. As mentioned in other threads, speed and pressure are important as well as correct amount of product. The mf pads dont like a lot of speed or pressure, and the results don't improve with them.
Several things will wear out the pads in the center,
cleaning to harshly with a brush, just use air for the 300
speed
pressure
I had a problem with a bit of dullness after the finish process. I went back and watched that part of the video and found I was using too much speed and pressure trying to get the gloss. After following the suggested use in the video things improved. However I was still getting better results using mg66 quick detailer and a foam polish pad for the finish step. I also get better results using 301 with a foam pad, 301 is great to work with so I have experimented on different ways to use it.
Friday I compared using mg66 on a foam pad and a mf pad. At first the mf seemed to have more gloss and more defect removal. So I continued using that. About 1/3 of the way through the car I noticed bad hazing, marring, dullness. Call it what you want. The fibers had stiffened and it was cutting instead of polishing. I was only using air to clean the pad, mistake, I imagine a brush would have helped here. Anyway it has me wondering if this is what was causing the lack of gloss in the normal application of 301 with an mf pad. Once the fibers get loaded with product, is air cleaning enough for 301? seems the fibers need to be fluffed to create the gloss. The mf pads have a lot of cutting power.
I have no problem getting an excellent looking car using the 300/mf pad and a foam pad with mg66 or 301 for the finish. Just my observations so far. I absolutely love the system though.
As for pad priming. Until recently reading about it's importance in the forums I had not done it. Now it seems crazy not to. Now I use a plastic spreader, like for bondo to prime the pad. You can work product around easily. I also use it with some products that build up in the center of the pad early in the pads life. You can just drag the build up out of the center. If the buildup is old than yes you need to remove it. Anyway just sharing some thoughts here.
Several things will wear out the pads in the center,
cleaning to harshly with a brush, just use air for the 300
speed
pressure
I had a problem with a bit of dullness after the finish process. I went back and watched that part of the video and found I was using too much speed and pressure trying to get the gloss. After following the suggested use in the video things improved. However I was still getting better results using mg66 quick detailer and a foam polish pad for the finish step. I also get better results using 301 with a foam pad, 301 is great to work with so I have experimented on different ways to use it.
Friday I compared using mg66 on a foam pad and a mf pad. At first the mf seemed to have more gloss and more defect removal. So I continued using that. About 1/3 of the way through the car I noticed bad hazing, marring, dullness. Call it what you want. The fibers had stiffened and it was cutting instead of polishing. I was only using air to clean the pad, mistake, I imagine a brush would have helped here. Anyway it has me wondering if this is what was causing the lack of gloss in the normal application of 301 with an mf pad. Once the fibers get loaded with product, is air cleaning enough for 301? seems the fibers need to be fluffed to create the gloss. The mf pads have a lot of cutting power.
I have no problem getting an excellent looking car using the 300/mf pad and a foam pad with mg66 or 301 for the finish. Just my observations so far. I absolutely love the system though.
As for pad priming. Until recently reading about it's importance in the forums I had not done it. Now it seems crazy not to. Now I use a plastic spreader, like for bondo to prime the pad. You can work product around easily. I also use it with some products that build up in the center of the pad early in the pads life. You can just drag the build up out of the center. If the buildup is old than yes you need to remove it. Anyway just sharing some thoughts here.