Single stage paint question...

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Do you have to wait 30 days forthe paint to cure, or does that only go for clear coatsd paint?

[tuscarora dave]

That would be dependent on the type of paint, amount of hardener or flex agent used and would be a question to ask the painter or the paint manufacturer.

All the cars that were painted single stage in the body shop that I used to work at needed to off gas for a period before being sealed or waxed however it was sanded, cut and glazed pretty much immediately after or within a few days of being sprayed.

[WRAPT C5Z06]

That would be dependent on the type of paint, amount of hardener or flex agent used and would be a question to ask the painter or the paint manufacturer.

All the cars that were painted single stage in the body shop that I used to work at needed to off gas for a period before being sealed or waxed however it was sanded, cut and glazed pretty much immediately after or within a few days of being sprayed.
:dblthumb2:

[C. Charles Hahn]

That would be dependent on the type of paint, amount of hardener or flex agent used and would be a question to ask the painter or the paint manufacturer.

All the cars that were painted single stage in the body shop that I used to work at needed to off gas for a period before being sealed or waxed however it was sanded, cut and glazed pretty much immediately after or within a few days of being sprayed.

:iagree: Generally fresh paint is much easier to cut and buff if you do it as soon as possible after the "minimum cure time" indicated on the paint's P-sheet, but usually it takes longer before the paint is cured to the point that it can be sealed.

[WRAPT C5Z06]

:iagree: Generally fresh paint is much easier to cut and buff if you do it as soon as possible after the "minimum cure time" indicated on the paint's P-sheet, but usually it takes longer before the paint is cured to the point that it can be sealed.
:props:

[Mike Phillips]

Just to add some more information...

There are hi-tech single stage paints, that is the same basic resin and curing technology as "clear" coat paint technology.

Then there's old school, solvent evaporation enamels and lacquers.

Old Timers will even tell you there were clear coats in the 50's and 60's, way before modern clear coats and they're right, but these type of clear coats they're talking about are lacquer clears and they were used to create a custom lacquer show car finish and these were still solvent evaporation paints.

When clear coat became the buzz word to describe modern automotive paints it has to do with the EPA creating new regulations about emitting V.O.C., in this case solvents, as in solvent-evaporation paints, into the air.

Paint technology, that is "resin" technology changed, and the way this resin is sprayed and cured changed dramatically and is continuing to change every year.

Regardless of the "type" of paint or resin technology you're working on, paint manufacturers still recommend a waiting time before you seal it with a wax or paint sealant.

You can work on ti before 30 days, but the idea being not to apply anything that acts to seal the surface and these types of products are the types of products we consider "protection" products no matter what the name on the label.


Because this topic comes up a lot, I've written a few articles on the topic...



Here on AGO, from my article list...

Articles on Car Paint

Don't wax your car for at least 30 days! (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/26967-don-t-wax-your-car-least-30-days.html)

Fresh Paint - But you can touch it... (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/off-topic/28717-fresh-paint-but-you-can-touch.html)

Body Shop Safe Glaze on Fresh Paint - #7 Show Car Glaze (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/28659-body-shop-safe-glaze-fresh-paint-7-show-car-glaze.html)

The practical differences between single stage paints and a clear coat paints (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/21924-practical-differences-between-single-stage-paints-clear-coat-paints.html)


On MeguiarsOnline.com

This article was posted on November 17, 2004, almost 7 years ago...

Paint Needs to Breathe (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3704)


:)

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Excellent info, thanks Mike!


Just to add some more information...

There are hi-tech single stage paints, that is the same basic resin and curing technology as "clear" coat paint technology.

Then there's old school, solvent evaporation enamels and lacquers.

Old Timers will even tell you there were clear coats in the 50's and 60's, way before modern clear coats and they're right, but these type of clear coats they're talking about are lacquer clears and they were used to create a custom lacquer show car finish and these were still solvent evaporation paints.

When clear coat became the buzz word to describe modern automotive paints it has to do with the EPA creating new regulations about emitting V.O.C., in this case solvents, as in solvent-evaporation paints, into the air.

Paint technology, that is "resin" technology changed, and the way this resin is sprayed and cured changed dramatically and is continuing to change every year.

Regardless of the "type" of paint or resin technology you're working on, paint manufacturers still recommend a waiting time before you seal it with a wax or paint sealant.

You can work on ti before 30 days, but the idea being not to apply anything that acts to seal the surface and these types of products are the types of products we consider "protection" products no matter what the name on the label.


Because this topic comes up a lot, I've written a few articles on the topic...



Here on AGO, from my article list...

Articles on Car Paint

Don't wax your car for at least 30 days! (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/26967-don-t-wax-your-car-least-30-days.html)

Fresh Paint - But you can touch it... (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/off-topic/28717-fresh-paint-but-you-can-touch.html)

Body Shop Safe Glaze on Fresh Paint - #7 Show Car Glaze (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/28659-body-shop-safe-glaze-fresh-paint-7-show-car-glaze.html)

The practical differences between single stage paints and a clear coat paints (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/21924-practical-differences-between-single-stage-paints-clear-coat-paints.html)


On MeguiarsOnline.com

This article was posted on November 17, 2004, almost 7 years ago...

Paint Needs to Breathe (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3704)


:)



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[WRAPT C5Z06]

My friend is getting a single stage paint job at Earl Scheib. :eek: After the spray the color, do they just let it dry and that's it? Will they possibly buff the car on a single stage paint job?

[Mike Phillips]

My friend is getting a single stage paint job at Earl Scheib. :eek: After the spray the color, do they just let it dry and that's it?


Yes unless they are also going to bake it for a little while if that have that ability.



Will they possibly buff the car on a single stage paint job?


Lets hope not... your friend would be better off to let you do any follow-up buffing...

You get what you pay for, hope they do a good job and hope they spray enough material to give you or your friend some film-build to work with into the future.


:)

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Yes unless they are also going to bake it for a little while if that have that ability.



Lets hope not... your friend would be better off to let you do any follow-up buffing...

You get what you pay for, hope they do a good job and hope they spray enough material to give you or your friend some film-build to work with into the future.


:)
Thank, Mikey. :)

[C. Charles Hahn]

My friend is getting a single stage paint job at Earl Scheib. :eek: After the spray the color, do they just let it dry and that's it? Will they possibly buff the car on a single stage paint job?

Earl Scheib? Is that like a Maaco or something? I've never heard of them before....:dunno:

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Earl Scheib? Is that like a Maaco or something? I've never heard of them before....:dunno:
Yes, very similar to Maaco. :eek: