School of Horrendous!

[Mike Phillips]

School of Horrendous! (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/31757-school-horrendous.html)

Seriously...

Do people have to learn how to do such horrendous rotary buffer work?

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It hurt my eyes to frame up and capture these shots...

I captured the "Before" shots of the condition of the paint before I start doing any sanding and buffing for the car in this thread...

1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass - 28,948 Original Miles (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/off-topic/31623-1970-oldsmobile-cutlass-28-948-original-miles.html)


Need to close my eyes now and go to a happy place... ahh... pushing the gas pedal to the floor in my Sanger Drag Boat... fond memories...

:xyxthumbs:

[aerogt01]

Wow! It amazes me work like that makes it out the door! I guess the glaze wore off.

[RTexasF]

I'm anxious to see the intensive care put to the Cutlass myself, that is God-awful!


Side Note:

Need to close my eyes now and go to a happy place... ahh... pushing the gas pedal to the floor in my Sanger Drag Boat... fond memories...


Far from a Sanger but I miss my Sea Ray Pachanga also. I find myself thinking back to those days when burning 20 gallons an hour was no big deal. I miss it but if I had it today I couldn't even tow it (that 460 c.i. Merc station wagon is long gone) much less feed it . :laughing: I don't recall what I had for supper yesterday but the good times in that boat surface often. I share your pain.

[apg39]

Scary enough I see this all the time in my home town, local "detailer" flaunts everywhere that he has 25 years experience at his job, yet thats pretty much exactly how they come out.

Soon as I get some experience in doing it I'll be doing a big advert in the paper pointing out how cr@p that kind of job is.

[C. Charles Hahn]

Scary enough I see this all the time in my home town, local "detailer" flaunts everywhere that he has 25 years experience at his job, yet thats pretty much exactly how they come out.

Proof that "experience" alone does not make someone good at what they do. It could just as well mean little more than 25 years of building and reinforcing bad habits!

[Mike Phillips]

It could just as well mean little more than 25 years of building and reinforcing bad habits!



How many cars could a single person swirl out in 25 years?

Scary thought...

:bolt:

[Grizzly]

Perhaps we should not look down on someone for doing things incorrectly in this trade.

I am sure each and every one of us has done a "hack" job in some other line of work and someone like us has said the same thing.

[BobbyG]

How many cars could a single person swirl out in 25 years?

Scary thought...

:bolt:

Mike, I guess this does require some practice and talent to produce nearly symmetrical swirls.... :doh:

The other day a black Monte Carlo went by and the swirls were so bad it looked like a paint was moving as the car went by...no kidding! :eek:

Don't forget to tape off those cowl vents otherwise you'll have more to do inside the vent area..

[C. Charles Hahn]

Perhaps we should not look down on someone for doing things incorrectly in this trade.

I am sure each and every one of us has done a "hack" job in some other line of work and someone like us has said the same thing.

Granted, we've all probably tackled a DIY project in some other area that came out with less-than-professional results, but I think there's also a difference between someone trying to do a job in an area they're not familiar with for themselves and someone trying to represent themselves as a professional while repeatedly producing "hack" level results for their customers. :xyxthumbs:

[LegacyGT]

Mike & all,

How exactly does this happen? As someone who is going to start rotary buffing when the PE14's ship, I would like to better understand how this sort of thing occurs so that I can avoid it.

Is this just the result of trying to finish with a wool cutting pad?

[Mike Phillips]

Perhaps we should not look down on someone for doing things incorrectly in this trade.

I am sure each and every one of us has done a "hack" job in some other line of work and someone like us has said the same thing.

True.

I also covered this topic here,

The story of 3 H's - Horrendous, Horror Story and Hack Detailers... (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/28142-story-3-h-s-horrendous-horror-story-hack-detailers.html)


Excerpt from the above article...



Included in the definition of Hack Detailers are people that either knowingly or unknowingly instill rotary buffer swirls or holograms into a car's paint but do so either unwillingly or because they honestly know not what they do...



Unknowingly
The reason I state this can be done knowingly or unknowingly is because some products will look great after wipe-off after being applied using a rotary buffer, so in the detailer's mind he thinks he left a swirl free finish. It's after the paint is washed a few times or repeatedly exposed to inclement weather that whatever wax, sealant or glaze was applied begins to wash off exposing the rotary buffer swirls.

Now most of you reading this know that with a little education, the above group of people can be taught proper technique and things like choosing the appropriate pads and products to do good work, but not everyone is a member of a detailing discussion forum and a person only knows what they know. That's why I aways say that the best detailers are detailers that hang out on discussion forums because via discussion forums we're always learning about new products or new approaches...

Believe it or not, there exists people that buff out cars that don't hang out on the Internet let alone a detailing discussion forum.
Knowingly
At one point in my life I called on body shops, dealerships and detail shops to conduct product training, during another point in my life I called on these same types of shops to conduct sales and here's the deal... I met plenty of "detailers" and also "Painter's Helpers", that knew they were instilling swirls as a result of their buffing work but there was nothing they could do about it outside of quiting.

In these situations, these are employees provided products and tools by the company and their job is to do the best they can with what they are given. I know for a fact that many of these people knew they were doing hack work and didn't like it but the situation they were in was out of their control.

Sad truth is, most of have had jobs we didn't like but did them out of neccassity... If this hasn't happened to you... count your blessings...
The above are just two examples of people instilling swirls either knowingly or unknowingly and in these examples they don't really fit the description of "Hack Detailer" as it's usually used on discussion forums in a derogatory manner as their intentions were for good, their circumstances were out of their control.


A real Hack Detailer would be someone that knows they're doing shoddy work and does so anyways... I would say after you filter out everyone that fits into the above two categories, (knowingly or unknowingly), that there are fewer hack detailers in the world then we all think, that is people who knowingly and willingly do horrible work and create horrendous results.

As more and more detailers bring up the level of their skills and abilities, as well as the products, pads and tools they use, the more the work done by hack detailers stands out like a sore thumb.





:)

[Flash Gordon]

Is this just the result of trying to finish with a wool cutting pad?

Pretty much. That and using a dirty pad with rocks-n-bottle polish :nomore:

Using a rotary w/wool is going to induce swirls no matter how good you are. You "can" finish the car off with one, but that requires extra steps. This is what makes you either pro or hack. To get the finish right, it takes time :buffing:

[LegacyGT]

Pretty much. That and using a dirty pad with rocks-n-bottle polish :nomore:

Using a rotary w/wool is going to induce swirls no matter how good you are. You "can" finish the car off with one, but that requires extra steps. This is what makes you either pro or hack. To get the finish right, it takes time :buffing:

So finishing up with foam on the rotary or switching to a DA for the final polish would take care of it in most situations Feed back please

[WestEnd]

Seriously...

Do people have to learn how to do such horrendous rotary buffer work?

That statement for some reason seriously made me LOL for real!! Thanks for the laugh.

[rakkvet]

I think you can say for sure that many don't want to learn how not to do that kind of hacking.