Not happy with Poor Boys EXP or Meguiars Synthetic Sealant No 21 sealant!!

[D_Nyholm]

So, on November 1st, I clayed and then polished my wifes Mini Cooper S with SIP and orange pad and Nano on white pad with my PC. THe finish was almost 100% and nice and smooth. I then proceeded to coat the left side of the car with Poorboys EXP and the right side with Meguiars Synthetic Sealant No 21. THe car is not garaged and is driven daily on the highway. I washed the car partway through November and then did another wash today. There really wasn't that much dirt on the car but it did need a wash. To my surprise, NONE of the water beaded when I washed. I then used the sheeting way of getting the water off the paint and it almost STUCK to the paint. Neither of the sealants really showed any sign of still being there. I am very surprised that I could not get 1.75 months out of a sealant on a well prepared surface! I kind of expected it out of the EXP, but I didn't expect it of the Meguiars from what I've been reading here.

As a counter point, my other car has Collinite Insulator Wax on it and it still beading like a champ after almost 2 months and my garage queen has Souveran on it and is still beading well after 2 months (though it is always in the garage).

Should i just be sticking with the Collinite? I really don't see any reason to be trying anything else at this point except that the Meg's Synthetic Sealant may have some fillers in it to help keep the finish looking better longer.

Thoughts?

[LuxuryMobile]

Thats too bad. I use M#21 often and see alot longer protection then that.

How long did you let it sit before wiping off? Did you apply it outside, if so what conditions? Did the sealant see rain 24hours after applied?

Ill gladly take it off your hands or trade you for something.

[D_Nyholm]

I applied it outside in the shade on a nice fall day, probably 50s or so. I applied it with a red pad on my pc and did the entire side if the car and then wiped it off, so it probably sat for 15 minutes or so. I do not remember it raining following the application, and I usually would since of be mad that I did the work and then it got rained on! :)

Should I have applied it differently and that is why I'm not getting the performance I expect?

[LuxuryMobile]

Sounds pretty similiar to how I apply it. Did you shake the bottle real good ( just trying to think of anything at this point that would make our results differ so much from mine )

[proudpoppa]

did you do an alcohol wipedown, or something similar between polishing and sealing? it's possible for leftover polishing oil's to affect a wax or sealant's ability to bond to your paint.

[James K]

did you do an alcohol wipedown, or something similar between polishing and sealing? it's possible for leftover polishing oil's to affect a wax or sealant's ability to bond to your paint.


That's what I was gonna say.

I am about to do an Accord using the Megs 21 topped with Adams Buttery Wax or AGHD. I had heard from others that they got good protection from it. Nothing like BFWD, but still good. I got more protection then what you got from just one coat of AGHD.

[350z00m]

hmmm weird.. i've used PB exp on my car before and lasted me awhile..? 3-4 months.. with beating. never tried megs 21


Jay

[tuscarora dave]

Something weird is definitely going on there, heck I get longer protection than that with Poorboy's Polish with Sealant. I love EX-P. I had less than desirable experience with the Meg's #21 though. I just didn't think the # 21 was very glossy. It kind of gives a new car on the dealers lot kind of look IMO or just ok in other words.

[D_Nyholm]

Yeah, I guess that could be it. Maybe the oils from the Menzerna somehow stopped it from bonding, but it surely didn't stop the Souveran and the Collinite from bonding to my other cars. I'm thinking to go out there and try to strip it off the car with a IPA wipedown. Then to reapply. I really WANT to like M21 because of the price and the ease of use, but so far it isn't making me happy! :) I wasn't expeccting much out of the PoorBoys and it was just a sample I added to my last order.

Everyone keeps saying the get LONGER protection, but what seems to be your timeframe? 2 months? 4 months? Im looking for about 3-4 month protection without anything other than washes. No spray waxes on top, maybe a QD but without wax in it. What is everyone getting?

[02CAMSS]

EXP needs to sit for a half hour to 45 minutes. I believe it says that on the label.

[D_Nyholm]

EXP needs to sit for a half hour to 45 minutes. I believe it says that on the label.

Well, i put the poorboys on first, then went over the Megs side and applied that. Im certain that it at least sat for about 30 minutes. I don't remember if i read it on the sample bottle or not, but I definitely remember putting the PBs on first.

[BobbyG]

I've used Poorboy's World EX-P Paint Sealant and like the way it goes on and buff's off. I don't have it in front of me but I think it has to sit for a while before buffing and overnight for curing.

With all the sealants I apply I let them sit over night in a dry garage before I top them with anything. I applied Poorboy's World EX-P Paint Sealant to one side of my truck this fall and it looks pretty good and still beading. :props:

To be honest I've found all of the Poorboy's World product like to work very well and reasonably priced.

[D_Nyholm]

I've used Poorboy's World EX-P Paint Sealant and like the way it goes on and buff's off. I don't have it in front of me but I think it has to sit for a while before buffing and overnight for curing.

With all the sealants I apply I let them sit over night in a dry garage before I top them with anything. I applied Poorboy's World EX-P Paint Sealant to one side of my truck this fall and it looks pretty good and still beading. :props:

To be honest I've found all of the Poorboy's World product like to work very well and reasonably priced.
Im assuming you do a first wipe, then let them sit overnight to cure totally before topping? Or do you apply, let sit overnight, then wipe off?

I've applied 4*UPP and let it sit for about 15 minutes, then wiped, and the next day made another application to make sure I got even coverage.

[fairlady350z]

EXP needs to sit for a half hour to 45 minutes. I believe it says that on the label.

It says 30 mins to an hr before buffing off and I normally wait 12 hrs or so before topping with anything to let it cure. Never had an issue with longevity...it lasts about 6 months, but my car is a garage queen.

[BobbyG]

Im assuming you do a first wipe, then let them sit overnight to cure totally before topping? Or do you apply, let sit overnight, then wipe off?

I've applied 4*UPP and let it sit for about 15 minutes, then wiped, and the next day made another application to make sure I got even coverage.

IPA

Some have a different approach but after claying or polishing I wipe the panels down with a 50/50 mixture of Isopropyl Alcohol and water. It can't hurt anything and can only help in my opinion.

Sealant

After buffing off a slight haze I give the entire finish a final wipe with a clean soft Microfiber towel. I have to tell you it's very glossy and what I would expect from a quality sealant.

I the garage for an overnight curing then the following day I usually top this off with a nice coat of Collinite 845. This wax has to be one of the best kept secrets and the best bang for the buck.