The Lesson White Paint Teaches Us

[jankerson]

The way I "type" the answer is,

Claying is the most effective way to remove above surface bonded contaminants prior to machine polishing.

Now that cool products like the Nanoskin Autoscrub Towels, Wash Mitts and Pads have been introduced, these types of tools are as good or better than detailing clay for removing above surface bonded contaminants prior to machine buffing.


Like shown in this article...

How to remove overspray paint using the Cyclo Polisher (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/69154-how-remove-overspray-paint-using-cyclo-polisher.html)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/2002/1949_Chevy_Truck_027.jpg




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I see that. :xyxthumbs:

Seems to be a lot of new products around now that make life a lot easier than it used to be. Also the Megs consumer line looks to be a lot better with much better products than awhile back, a lot of better products out there now from what I have been reading.

I used to use the Professional Mirror Glaze line because they worked so much better than what was available on the shelf. I know I am dating myself here a little, it was back in the late 80's when I used to do some detailing/paint correction. Never got serious about a business or anything like that, just helped out and fixed for friends etc for some extra pocket money.

This is a great forum with tons of information and a lot of experienced people who really know what they are doing. :props:

[hardysukito]

I cover this in my how-too book and also in a brand new booklet coming out on claying in iTunes.

The answer is it depends upon the type of contaminant and how strong the bond it has to the paint. For example, here in the United States some people have to deal with things like DOT or Department of Transportation Highway Paint and this type of paint can have a very strong bond to your car's paint.


The other part of the question has to do with the type of pad and tool you're using.

Foam pads on dual action polishers, and even rotary buffers, will tend to GLIDE over bonded contaminants and make them pretty by polishing them.

A wool cutting pad on a rotary buffer on the other hand will tend to cut or kick-off contaminants with a compound as both the compound and the fibers of the wool pad are abrasives and can be very aggressive.





The way I "type" the answer is,

Claying is the most effective way to remove above surface bonded contaminants prior to machine polishing.

Now that cool products like the Nanoskin Autoscrub Towels, Wash Mitts and Pads have been introduced, these types of tools are as good or better than detailing clay for removing above surface bonded contaminants prior to machine buffing.


Like shown in this article...

How to remove overspray paint using the Cyclo Polisher (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/69154-how-remove-overspray-paint-using-cyclo-polisher.html)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/2002/1949_Chevy_Truck_027.jpg




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that means the contaminants are still there and they just get smoothened, doesnt it??
could you give me direct link how to use clay in this forum Mike??
thanks a lot for your reply :)

[jankerson]

Not Mike, but here is the link to the article and video on how to use the clay.

How to use auto detailing clay (http://www.autogeek.net/detailing-clay-bar.html)

[stilltipping3]

OK Guys send me your boring white cars.
I will send you my polishing of my black cars. LOL
Black cars double the work for the same pay.
Wait six months and the black is back in the same shape.
Repeat the cycle.

I guess if you are working for a living or personal satisfaction may be the difference?


Haha, that's true.

[jankerson]

And that's why white and silver metallic colored cars are a good choice for people that don't want to worry about swirls in their car's finish.

If I were to ever purchase another SUV it would probably be white. I'd apply a coating and forget about it. But the chances of me buying another SUV are pretty slim...

My next purchase will probably be another full convertible 1969 to 1975 Jimmy or Blazer.


:)

Mike,

White can really show also, it just has to be really perfect and in the correct lighting. Quite the opposite of Black and dark colored cars that show reflections best in the full sun With white the lighting has to be the opposite, light color darker lighting.

Here we see the true depth and clarity of the finish, for the most part a true mirror I think.

http://photocamel.com/gallery/data/7962/medium/DSC_4025.JPG

http://photocamel.com/gallery/data/7962/medium/DSC_4028.JPG

http://photocamel.com/gallery/data/7962/medium/DSC_4027.JPG

And more in the light we lose some of the depth of the reflections due to it being white.

http://photocamel.com/gallery/data/7962/medium/DSC_40141.JPG

http://photocamel.com/gallery/data/7962/medium/DSC_4015.JPG

http://photocamel.com/gallery/data/7962/medium/DSC_40221.JPG

http://photocamel.com/gallery/data/7962/medium/DSC_4018.JPG

[arisking]

Bump!

This thread is pure gold. Probably one of the best articles I've read, way to go Mike! Thanks a lot!

Was tough to read though as I'm in the hospital hopped up on pain killers, bahaha. :P

[tnecniv]

Here are some photos of my Taffeta White 2000 Acura Integra.

Sorry for the bad lighting/pictures!

http://imageshack.us/a/img600/7470/e4tk.jpg
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http://imageshack.us/a/img689/7349/4ewx.jpg


Thats 13 years of dirt/contamination/whatever build-up!

[arisking]

Crazy, man, HUGE difference!

[ilian11]

What a great article. As an owner of two white cars that I love I must say, mike is 100% right.

What I love about white is the crispness and freshness of the color, but most importantly, the cleanliness of white. Picture a white glove with a black tux. White is the color of clean, where black is the color of elegance.

I've owned black, red, orange (don't ask), gray, and blue. Black was an absolute nightmare to maintain. Tho when clean, it was like my bathroom mirror.

I think I've narrowed it down to my perfect combo, white car, dark tint, black interior. I get a little bit of both worlds.

[tenblade2001]

Mike, where would put p21s paint cleansor. I know its not a wax, but it does clean..
#2, can you provide the link to the article in which you tell how many and what kind of pads one can expect to use for a paint correction.
Thanks

[Mike@DedicatedPerfection]

If I may Steve,



Mike, where would put p21s paint cleansor. I know its not a wax, but it does clean..

After a compounding/polishing session there is no need for P21S as the paint has been thoroughly cleaned and polished to a high shine.

P21S would fit in say 6 months down the road when your LSP is no longer up to par and you want to freshen up the paint for a fresh coat of wax.


#2, can you provide the link to the article in which you tell how many and what kind of pads one can expect to use for a paint correction.
Thanks

I believe this may be the article you are looking for.

How many pads do I need to buff out my car? (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/88109-how-many-pads-do-i-need-buff-out-my-car.html)



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[Mike Phillips]

What a great article. As an owner of two white cars that I love I must say, mike is 100% right.

What I love about white is the crispness and freshness of the color, but most importantly, the cleanliness of white.

Picture a white glove with a black tux. White is the color of clean, where black is the color of elegance.

I've owned black, red, orange (don't ask), gray, and blue. Black was an absolute nightmare to maintain. Tho when clean, it was like my bathroom mirror.

I think I've narrowed it down to my perfect combo, white car, dark tint, black interior. I get a little bit of both worlds.


Great analogy....





If I may Steve,


After a compounding/polishing session there is no need for P21S as the paint has been thoroughly cleaned and polished to a high shine.

P21S would fit in say 6 months down the road when your LSP is no longer up to par and you want to freshen up the paint for a fresh coat of wax.


I believe this may be the article you are looking for.

How many pads do I need to buff out my car? (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/88109-how-many-pads-do-i-need-buff-out-my-car.html)





Thanks for answering the above questions and locating the link to the article Mike, I missed this one.


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[S4Dallas]

Hi Mike,

This past weekend I used my G15 and applied DG 601/501 and the Collinite 845 on my Ibis white Audi S4.

I recently applied BF GEP and the WD to the car. In comparison, The DG/Collinite mix added depth and gloss to the car I've never experienced before. BUT, I am also seeing orange peel more than in the past while also noticing for the first time there is a bit of peal flexk in the paint (just a hint) and is not completely flat as I thought it was.

The car is a 2014 with 12k miles. Am I seeing the orange peel effect more now due to how clean the paint is along with it only being a single stage?

[Mike Phillips]

The car is a 2014 with 12k miles.

Am I seeing the orange peel effect more now due to how clean the paint is along with it only being a single stage?




Maybe. Could be you've just become better at seeing and identifying paint defects. Kind of a curse.


:)

[Mp0wer]

Hi Mike,



This past weekend I used my G15 and applied DG 601/501 and the Collinite 845 on my Ibis white Audi S4.



I recently applied BF GEP and the WD to the car. In comparison, The DG/Collinite mix added depth and gloss to the car I've never experienced before. BUT, I am also seeing orange peel more than in the past while also noticing for the first time there is a bit of peal flexk in the paint (just a hint) and is not completely flat as I thought it was.



The car is a 2014 with 12k miles. Am I seeing the orange peel effect more now due to how clean the paint is along with it only being a single stage?


Hey S4Dallas

I think your car has a clear coat and it's not single stage, if your polishing and you see white paint on your foam pad then it's probably single stage


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