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Mike Phillips
10-02-2009, 08:17 PM
Pictures & Comments from October 4th, 2009 Sunday Detailing 102 - Advanced Class (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/pictures-saturday-detailing-101/21005-pictures-comments-october-4th-2009-sunday-detailing-102-advanced-class.html)

Everything is set-up and ready to go! Coffee will be hot! Donuts will be fresh!

October 4th, 2009 Detailing 102 - Advanced Class

The emphasis here will be to build on what you learn in our Detailing 101 class by learning how to wet-sand by hand and machine and then how to successfully remove your sanding marks using a rotary buffer and then polish the paint to perfection using a dual action polisher.


Nikken Finishing Papers - Backing Pads and Fresh Water Supply for Hand Sanding

Air powered DA Sanders - 3M Trizact Sanding Discs & Mirka Abralon Sanding Discs

Compounds, Wool Cutting Pads, Rotary Buffers

The PosiTest Paint Thickness Gauge

These classes are always so much fun not only do you get to learn a lot of tips and techniques for polishing paint but you always get to meet great new people.

If you couldn't make it to either of these classes, be sure to clear your schedule for 2010

See everyone on Sunday morning starting at 8:00am!


Mike Phillips
10-04-2009, 02:19 PM
Thank you to everyone that attended today, I hope you all had as much fun as I had!

The goal was to bring-up your comfort level as well as your skill level when it comes to hand sanding, machine sanding, using a rotary buffer and then polishing paint to a swirl-free finish. I feel confident everyone reached these goals today, I hope you all feel the same way. It was great meeting and working with you all, I hope to see you all on the forum into the future!

Here's a parting shot from the end of the class, I'll try to upload the rest of the photos later tonight or tomorrow night.


10-04-2009, 03:26 PM
Just got in from the class today.Just wanted to Thank Mike and the staff of AG for having a class on a Sunday.Jason and Dwayne went out of there way to stay and fill orders that we were able to make after the class .Megan also stopped by to say hello.And the big boss Max also stopped in.I don't know many places that would open on a Sunday and even have a staff come in and pull orders.They really go out of there way to make sure everyone leaves with a smile on there face.As far as the class i guess i expected more at the time i signed up.Once the class started i came to realize there is only so many hours in the day and with 9 of us there it would be very hard to cover so many different aspects of paint correction.But what Mike set out too do i feel he covered all those areas and then some.Everyone in the class had too wet sand by hand and by machine.And yes i said had too Mike made sure everyone did both we had two hoods there so that increased the comfort zone knowing if we made a mistake we could work it out.Ag supplied anything Mike needed for the class ,Every machine they sell we got to use.Which was great .I think Ag needs to continue with some form of class where you spend a full day just honing in on certain areas lets say one day is just Wool /Rotary next class maybe using the different pads they sell.Maybe keeping the class amount a little smaller then the 101/102 class if they start a specialized class.I would even go out on a limb and say people would even pay for this kind of class i know i would.It's hard to keep track of 10 people using four machines buffing and polishing all at the same time plus teaching at the same time but Mike kept up with everyone and answered any questions that would pop up and made sure everyone understood what was going on.All in all i learned alot and look forward to more classes.Thanks again to AG

10-04-2009, 03:36 PM
I would like to thank Mike for teaching the class and AG for having it. Jason and Dwayne were there filling out everyone order and being very helpful answering questions about products.

If you have already taken the 101 class I highly recommend this class to anyone. It will raise your confidence level alot. You are taught the basics to wet sanding with a DA and by hand. You get to use a rotory and are taught what to do and what not to do. The class was great. If you are on the fence about taking the class take it. YOu will be very pleased with the class. Mike is a great guy to learn from and full of knowledge.

10-04-2009, 04:52 PM
Glad everyone enjoyed that class, was nice to peak in and see you all playing on those hoods. Looking forward to future classes.

10-04-2009, 05:33 PM
Looks like everyone had fun :) I didn't make it today since, for some reason my IPhone alarm didn't go off. So I didn't wake up till 9:30am. I'll just have to sign up for the next one in two weeks :)

10-04-2009, 06:09 PM
Can you use a PC7424 to wetsand with or do you need to have an air driven DA?

10-04-2009, 06:42 PM
Can you use a PC7424 to wetsand with or do you need to have an air driven DA?
It can be done but not recommended water + electric = bad idea

taylor vance
10-04-2009, 06:53 PM
I would just like to thank Mike and the staff @ Autogeek for giving highly informative & interesting classes. Both classes, Detailing 101, & 102 were great! I will definitely be there for any other classes that can be offered! Highly recommended for anyone interested in keeping their car or truck looking good.Great job guys! Brian Taylor

Mike Phillips
10-05-2009, 06:33 AM
Can you use a PC7424 to wetsand with or do you need to have an air driven DA?

Besides the water/electricity issue, the stroke for air powered DA sanders is much smaller or shorter than the stroke or orbit for polishers like the PC, Griot's and G110

When sanding automotive paints you want to use a finishing sander, with a small stroke or orbit.


10-05-2009, 08:00 AM
This class was a lot of fun. As a group very few of us had ever held a rotary, let alone placed wool down on paint and tried to pull sanding marks. Thanks to Mikes instructions and demonstrations the learning curve was not as big as I assumed. I was amazed at the results a group of first timers could achieve.

I was able to see first hand the benefits of SMAT, DA vs hand sanding, and learned why this type of sanding and buffing is primarily done on thicker fresh paint, not factory baked thin clear cotes. I know I'll be applying much of what I learned in my future restoration project.

Thanks for the opportunity

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Col. Mustard
10-05-2009, 11:11 AM
Mike is a good guy, and he's good at teaching. It was nice to meet some of the (autogeek) people behind the scenes, check out the warehouse, and get an idea of how things operate. Everyone I met seemed like nice people.

As far as the class itself, there was a definite focus on Meguiars product line, which I completely understand seeing as how that is Mikes area of expertise, but I would have liked to learn about some other technologies and different product lines. Hopefully in future classes the range of focus can be expanded a bit in that area.

Otherwise it was great being able to pick up and use different types of equipment and get a chance to hand and machine sand a hood, use rotaries, DAs, etc. Overall it was worthwhile (600 mile drive each way for me) and there were a few tips, guidlines, and techniques that I learned during the "classroom" part also. I thank Mike for taking the time to teach the class and answer questions, and I thank Autogeek for providing the tools, equipment, and location for it to be held. It was fun and I hope it continues to expand and become more popular

- Taylor E

Mike Phillips
10-07-2009, 04:08 PM
Here's a few pictures from our first Advanced Class here at Autogeek!





















More tomorrow!

10-07-2009, 05:56 PM
The pic you got of the Flex DA removong the DA wet sanding would be pretty cool.

Mike Phillips
10-07-2009, 07:33 PM
The pic you got of the Flex DA removing the DA wet sanding would be pretty cool.

Usually my file folders are set up for "Details" view in Windows XP so all the photos are listed in the order/time stamp they were taken. Then I go through and rename, crop out the fluff, upload and insert them also, in the order in which they were taken.

Since the Flex DA pictures you're referring to were some of the last photos from the class, they'll be some of the last photos I upload and post.

Hopefully I'll get to the rest of the pictures tomorrow.