Pinnacle leather cleaner and Wolfgang leather conditioner??

[DARK HORSE]

I noticed Pinnacle leather cleaner and Wolfgang leather conditioner both in the current BOGO. I was thinking of getting both. Can anyone provide feedback as to your experience with either product; and would it be okay to use them in conjuction with each other.

Feed back please

[wytstang]

I would like to know if WG/Pinn is water based or oil based?
I can tell you I tried Pinn leather conditioner on my leather seats and really didn't see a big difference in my leather. Tried Leather Masters based on Supercharged recommendation and it did make a difference. More natural and pliable.
Four Stars leather conditioner is water based according to the owner of 4*. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/wytstang/smileys/twocents.gif

[DARK HORSE]

What is better water based or oil based?; and is that for the cleaner or the conditioner?

[DARK HORSE]

The website description says that the Pinn leather cleaner is water based and the WG leather conditioner is lanolin oil based, both with a pH of 7 (neutral). Is this good?

[wytstang]

From my research coated leather needs a water based conditioner/re-hydration. You have coated leather (says so in owners manual too). Yeah neutral is always good.
Optimum and Poorboys leather conditioner is water based as well and both clean and condition (AIO).

[HHIslander]

I LOVE the WG leather conditioner. It has a great smell to it it really leaves the leather feeling amazing. I would highly recommend it and I am currently adding it to my basket, I didn't know it was on BOGO. THANKS!

[CEE DOG]

I LOVE the WG leather conditioner. It has a great smell to it it really leaves the leather feeling amazing. I would highly recommend it and I am currently adding it to my basket, I didn't know it was on BOGO. THANKS!
What about it being lanolin oil based?
Isn't the water based supposed to be what we should use?

[wytstang]

I'm starting wonder how many conditioners are actually oil based. I had emailed Rick Vaal owner of 4* about his conditioner and he stated that it is actually water based despite the product info saying it's lanolin based (percentage of oils is very small). I'm starting to think most conditioners are water based with a little lanolin/mink/other oil in the mix but advertise the oil more due to most people perception that oil is good.

[DARK HORSE]

I'm starting wonder how many conditioners are actually oil based. I had emailed Rick Vaal owner of 4* about his conditioner and he stated that it is actually water based despite the product info saying it's lanolin based (percentage of oils is very small). I'm starting to think most conditioners are water based with a little lanolin/mink/other oil in the mix but advertise the oil more due to most people perception that oil is good.

Great answer!!!:urtheman: I think I will try the WG and The Pinn. I can't imagine going wrong with either of those two brands for anything; and the BOGO is a great bonus!!! oorahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bunky]

I'm starting wonder how many conditioners are actually oil based. I had emailed Rick Vaal owner of 4* about his conditioner and he stated that it is actually water based despite the product info saying it's lanolin based (percentage of oils is very small). I'm starting to think most conditioners are water based with a little lanolin/mink/other oil in the mix but advertise the oil more due to most people perception that oil is good.

We are following the same trail.

Just because a product has some oil in it, it does not mean it is oil based. From my investigations, oil based really applies to the older leather products that used oil and active solvents to rejuvenate uncoated leather. I think the oil based talk is more marketing talk about bad mouthing products since few mark "water based" on leather conditioner bottles marketed for automotive use. You notice those that promote water based tend to hint about certain products and not acknowledge there are many water based leather conditioners out there.

Some seem slippery than others but it does not mean oil is causing it. Protectants are water based but can add substantial slickness without "oils".

I have been using 4 Star but picked up some PB's Leather stuff...interestingly, the PB leaves my coated seats more slippery....

[wytstang]

Here is what Rick told me

Mr ###, thanks for your question. Our Leather Conditioner is mostly water based. The Lanolin is emulsified to stay suspended in water. This is the only oil in the product and the percent is very low. Most protectant products have some sort of oil or polymer in the formula to add protection and softness but are also emulsified to blend with water. Our Leather Conditioner is a very safe product and has been on the market for 15 plus years.

Thanks, Rick Vaal Owner
And my follow up question asking about "other oil" in ingredient list

###, one of the ingredients we use and purchase has a mixture of lanolin and mink oil. We also add polymers for the sheen as well as added protection. The higher percentage being lanolin which most definitely softens and protects. Not sure as to why we listed other oils. I will have my web master remove that word because it makes no sense. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.


Rick Vaal

[wytstang]

We are following the same trail.

Just because a product has some oil in it, it does not mean it is oil based. From my investigations, oil based really applies to the older leather products that used oil and active solvents to rejuvenate uncoated leather. I think the oil based talk is more marketing talk about bad mouthing products since few mark "water based" on leather conditioner bottles marketed for automotive use. You notice those that promote water based tend to hint about certain products and not acknowledge there are many water based leather conditioners out there.

Some seem slippery than others but it does not mean oil is causing it. Protectants are water based but can add substantial slickness without "oils".

I have been using 4 Star but picked up some PB's Leather stuff...interestingly, the PB leaves my coated seats more slippery....
It seems we are following the same trail. Seems the lanolin/mink names are "poll" words that people get excited about.
I will say this, I did feel a difference using Leather Master's vs Pinnacles conditioner. Even on a pair of coated leather shoes lol. Leather was more pliable/flexible using Leather Masters.

[A4 1.8tqm]

I was very happy with the results from Pinn leather cleaner and conditioner. Left a nice matte finish, even in the areas that were a little shiny from using lesser products.

[08 300C]

Never used anything but WG both cleaner and conditioner, I love it, smells like leather should and I love the squeak of freshly cleaned and conditioned leather.