DP/Optimum 4 in 1 washes

[emaxxman]

I'm interested in getting the DP 4 in 1 rinseless 4 in 1 wash or Optimum no rinse wash.

http://www.autogeek.net/dp-rinseless-four-in-one.html
http://www.autogeek.net/optimum-no-rinse.html

I'm really interested in the ability of each to be used to create a rinseless wash, quick detailer, and clay lube. Has anyone used these products for each of 4 uses?

How glossy does the quick detailer mix leave the finish?

How good are they at cleaning smudges and minor stuff like most quick detailers are supposed to?

Are they slick enough for a proper clay appliction?

Would you and/or have used them as a rinseless wash?

My concern is that they may be a "jack of all trades" but "master of none."

[supercharged]

Stick with DP. I've used it, I liked it. Citrus smell. Lubricity is kind of like Meguiar's quick detailer... not a lube for black paint.
Optimum does not smell good...

[ScottB]

They are interesting products, as they offer noticable lubrication within the water. That said , no real foam which kinda looks wrong. As said before the DP far out "smells" the Optimum version. You can even use the products as qd'ers when needed.