3M Ceramic Coating?

[EddieVDetailing]

Been seeing a lot of talk about the new 3M Ceramic Coating. Has anyone used it yet? Any thoughts?

I’ve been using Meguiar’s Hybrid Paint Coating I noticed that the 3M Ceramic Coating advertises the same attributes... wonder if they are related?

[SNP209]

3M owns Meguiar's.

[Billy Baldone]

I hear it is not the most user friendly experience to apply

[EddieVDetailing]

Interesting feedback. Not many coatings are super easy to apply. Hybrid Paint Coating might be the easiest coating I’ve ever applied and I’ve applied a lot of different coatings. It’s super slick. Results have been impressive so far and durability seems good for the few months I’ve been using it.

[EddieVDetailing]

3M owns Meguiar's.

Yes this is why I ask and thought they are related somehow. Someone said the 3M coating was polysiloxane based so I wondered if they are related.

[FUNX650]

3M owns Meguiar's.



Yes this is why I ask and thought
they are related somehow.
FWIW:

•This was considered nothing more than
a complementary acquisition—to support
the following 3M growth-strategy:

“...to strengthen the core businesses;
and expand into adjacent markets”.

Source:
October 02, 2008
Press Release


Bob

[FUNX650]

Been seeing a lot of talk about the
new 3M Ceramic Coating. Has anyone
used it yet?

Any thoughts?

I’ve been using Meguiar’s Hybrid Paint
Coating I noticed that the 3M Ceramic
Coating advertises the same attributes...
wonder if they are related?

IMO:
They might be somewhat “chemically related”.
(Yet I’ll probably never know for sure.
See below...RE: 3M Authorized Installer.)


•While Meguiar’s Hybrid Paint Coating is being
advertised as a Consumer version of a Coating...
-3M’s Ceramic Coating is advertised as being
for professional use/installation only.

TO WIT:

•“For industrial/occupational use only.
Not for consumer sale or use.

•3M industrial and occupational products are
intended, labeled, and packaged for sale to
trained industrial and occupational customers
for workplace use.

•Unless specifically stated otherwise on the
applicable product packaging or literature,
these products are not intended, labeled, or
packaged for sale to or use by consumers

-(e.g., for home, personal, primary or secondary
school, recreational/sporting, or other uses not
described in the applicable product packaging or
literature),

-and must be selected and used in compliance
with applicable health and safety regulations
and standards (e.g., U.S. OSHA, ANSI),

-as well as all product literature, user
instructions, warnings, and other limitations,
and the user must take any action required
under any recall, field action, or other product
use notice.

•Misuse of 3M industrial and occupational
products may result in injury, sickness,
death, or property damage.

-For help with product selection and use,
consult your on-site safety professional,
industrial hygienist, or other subject
matter expert.

•For professional use only. 3M’s Warranty only
applies to professionally installed treatments
through a 3M Authorized Installer”.

Source:
Access Denied (https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b5005168023/)



Bob

[EddieVDetailing]

IMO:
They might be somewhat “chemically related”.
(Yet I’ll probably never know for sure.
See below...RE: 3M Authorized Installer.)


•While Meguiar’s Hybrid Paint Coating is being
advertised as a Consumer version of a Coating...
-3M’s Ceramic Coating is advertised as being
for professional use/installation only.

TO WIT:

•“For industrial/occupational use only.
Not for consumer sale or use.

•3M industrial and occupational products are
intended, labeled, and packaged for sale to
trained industrial and occupational customers
for workplace use.

•Unless specifically stated otherwise on the
applicable product packaging or literature,
these products are not intended, labeled, or
packaged for sale to or use by consumers

-(e.g., for home, personal, primary or secondary
school, recreational/sporting, or other uses not
described in the applicable product packaging or
literature),

-and must be selected and used in compliance
with applicable health and safety regulations
and standards (e.g., U.S. OSHA, ANSI),

-as well as all product literature, user
instructions, warnings, and other limitations,
and the user must take any action required
under any recall, field action, or other product
use notice.

•Misuse of 3M industrial and occupational
products may result in injury, sickness,
death, or property damage.

-For help with product selection and use,
consult your on-site safety professional,
industrial hygienist, or other subject
matter expert.

•For professional use only. 3M’s Warranty only
applies to professionally installed treatments
through a 3M Authorized Installer”.

Source:
Access Denied (https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b5005168023/)



Bob

Thanks for sharing that info. Makes you wonder about the defunct M788 coating that never launched.

[dwaleke]

Thanks for sharing that info. Makes you wonder about the defunct M788 coating that never launched.

I heard that had to do with not being able to get the packaging they needed. Which sounds weird but with Covid who knows?

I've also heard that Meguiar's has been limited in what chemistry they can use in the US because of the health risks of most coatings. They want to avoid the liability. I would not be surprised if that is coming from the parent company 3M.

Especially if you read the disclaimer above. That gives them a lot of cover for the professional coating. "Not for consumer use"

When you hear about the health risks and then you see video after video of people applying coatings without gloves or respirators or any PPE of any kind it really makes you wonder.

[Mike Phillips]

Talk about coming late to the game...

:dunno:


3M generally makes great products. They probably have one of the worlds largest R&D departments when considered globally.


Someone take a hit for the team...


:cheers:

[robwoodgto]

Interesting feedback. Not many coatings are super easy to apply. Hybrid Paint Coating might be the easiest coating I’ve ever applied and I’ve applied a lot of different coatings. It’s super slick. Results have been impressive so far and durability seems good for the few months I’ve been using it.

You are so right. Coatings are not super easy to apply, even if you are experienced. In my experience, and talking with guys that do this every day even if you are using a "super consumer friendly ceramic coating" whether it be something like CanCoat or out of a 30 ml bottle, high spots are going to happen even if you "take your time and do it right." (a little throwback to my roller skating days :laughing:)

Here is a great read:

Installing a Ceramic Paint Coating? You MUST have a GREAT hand held light to avoid high spots! (https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-to-articles-by-mike-phillips/120538-installing-ceramic-paint-coating-you-must-have-great-hand-held-light-avoid-high-spots.html)

[EddieVDetailing]

I heard that had to do with not being able to get the packaging they needed. Which sounds weird but with Covid who knows?

I've also heard that Meguiar's has been limited in what chemistry they can use in the US because of the health risks of most coatings. They want to avoid the liability. I would not be surprised if that is coming from the parent company 3M.

Especially if you read the disclaimer above. That gives them a lot of cover for the professional coating. "Not for consumer use"

When you hear about the health risks and then you see video after video of people applying coatings without gloves or respirators or any PPE of any kind it really makes you wonder.

Interesting you point that out because I did notice that hybrid paint coating does not smell dangerous at all. Some other products nearly knocked me out when I caught a whiff! From what I’ve seen of the product, I see it as one of those small glass vials that has been put into a spray can. Definitely outperforms others in the same category, CanCoat etc and it’s definitely way easier to apply. Interested to see how this 3M coating applies but I can’t probably get my hands on it since it’s certified installer only.

[EddieVDetailing]

You are so right. Coatings are not super easy to apply, even if you are experienced. In my experience, and talking with guys that do this every day even if you are using a "super consumer friendly ceramic coating" whether it be something like CanCoat or out of a 30 ml bottle, high spots are going to happen even if you "take your time and do it right." (a little throwback to my roller skating days :laughing:)

Here is a great read:

Installing a Ceramic Paint Coating? You MUST have a GREAT hand held light to avoid high spots! (https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-to-articles-by-mike-phillips/120538-installing-ceramic-paint-coating-you-must-have-great-hand-held-light-avoid-high-spots.html)

Yep this is definitely true! I saw a video on YouTube where it was said you can apply hybrid paint coating and still wipe off an hour later. Definite trade off since it takes about 7 days to fully cure but it has been great to not deal with high spots.

[robwoodgto]

I would love to try the HPC but I wish they provided it as a standalone in the detail line by the gallon or without the prep priced around $20 cheaper. I have a lot of prep so that is not needed.

[dwaleke]

Yep this is definitely true! I saw a video on YouTube where it was said you can apply hybrid paint coating and still wipe off an hour later. Definite trade off since it takes about 7 days to fully cure but it has been great to not deal with high spots.

I see this often.

Most ceramic coatings take weeks to fully cure. It can be accelerated with the use of IR lamps or parking in direct sunlight.

Meguiar's HPC advertises some TrueCure technology. What exactly that means I don't know but it seems to me they are saying their product will cure faster than typical ceramic coatings.

Meguiar's recommends the car doesn't get wet for 24 hours and do not wash it for 7 days. How long the coating takes to cure is unknown. I wouldn't necessarily think 24 hours or 7 days but clearly no less than 7 days (could be 7, 12, 24, etc).