Learn to machine sand TODAY! LIVE Detailing Class at 3:00pm Eastern Time

[Mike Phillips]

Learn to machine sand TODAY! LIVE Detailing Class at 3:00pm Eastern Time (https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/live-detailing-classes-how-to-videos-with-mike-phillips-and-yancy-martinez/128742-learn-machine-sand-today-live-detailing-class-3-00pm-eastern-time.html)


Now that this is over, here's the YouTube version...


https://youtu.be/tQYfHYKULLA




At 3:00pm today, Yancy and I will be going over a plethora of topics that are hard to find good information about let along video showing how it's done.

The car was here for our February 3-day class. It's a 1963 Plymouth Fury Drag Car. This car was recently repainted. There were some flaws UNDER the clear on the trunk lid so it went back and was repainted.

After painting, it was hand sanded and buffed. Now there is overspray over the entire car. There's residual sanding marks in the paint. There's holograms everywhere the fresh paint was buffed. No big deal, this is the norm for the body shop industry.


Turning lemons into lemonade

After seeing the results from the paintwork, I told Carlos to bring her back and I would personally fix the entire car. I also asked if it would be okay to use this project for one of our LIVE detailing classes and in his normal awesome self - he said no problemo.

Here's the car after my 3-day class completely hand sanded and then machine sanded the entire car. (I teach wetsanding in all my classes)


From this recent class...

Pictures and Comments: 2021 February 3-Day Detailing Bootcamp Class (https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/pictures-3-day-car-detailing-bootcamp-classes/128605-pictures-comments-2021-february-3-day-detailing-bootcamp-class.html)


1963 Plymouth Fury Drag Car - Brand new basecoat/clearcoat paint job

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And although the trunk lid left looking like this,

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/4235/2021_Feb_Class_092.JPG


It don't look like the above any longer.




Where to go to watch?

At 3:00pm today - head over to either the Autogeek YouTube Channel or the Autogeek Facebook page and see how it's done.



YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/autogeek) - You can interact LIVE via the comments section

Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/autogeek) - You can interact LIVE via the comments section




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[Mike Phillips]

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Here's the tools, pads and products we'll be sharing and pretty much in this order.


3M Trizact Hookit 3 Inch Foam Discs P3000 - 02087
https://www.autogeek.net/3m-trizact-h...​

3M Trizact Hookit 6 Inch Foam Discs P3000 - 02085
https://www.autogeek.net/3m-6in-hooki...​

Griot's Garage G9 Random Orbital Polisher
https://www.autogeek.net/new-griots-p...​

Griot's G8 Mini Random Orbital Polisher
https://www.autogeek.net/griots-orbit...​

FLEX PE-150 Cordless Rotary Polisher
https://www.autogeek.net/flex-pe150-c...​

RUPES Twisted Natural Wool Pad - 6.5 Inch
https://www.autogeek.net/rupes-twiste...​

FLEX XCE 8-125 18.0 Polisher
https://www.autogeek.net/flex-xce-8-1...​

Rupes DA Yellow Fine Foam Pad - 7 Inch
https://www.autogeek.net/rupes-da-yel...​

Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish
https://www.autogeek.net/pin230.html​

Renny Doyle Double Black Paint Coating Surface Prep
https://www.autogeek.net/renny-doyle-...​

P&S Double Black Legend Ceramic Coating
https://www.autogeek.net/ps-legend-pr...



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[2black1s]

How timely given my very recent review of a few wet-sanding products, albeit they were hand sanding variants.

I'll be tuning in.

In the past I have always done my final wet-sanding by hand as I feel that is how you have the best control. But something you brought up and I read (can't remember exactly where) regarding machine sanding caught my attention. That is... that you like to do the initial 1500G sanding by hand and then follow that with 3000G-5000G machine sanding. I like that methodology and look forward to trying it at some point.

[Mike Phillips]

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Apologies I can't share this on YouTube and then quickly and easily insert the video for you to watch on the forum. BUT - here's two videos I just took of this car on my Facebook page.

Click the link if you want to see how bad the paint is and also a rundown of all the tools, products and pads we'll be showing.


The car outside in full overhead sun

Wetsanding class at 3:00pm TODAY! (https://fb.watch/4jkv8effsD/)



Here's the car inside, I use a swirl finder light to show the current condition and then all the tools we'll be using.

Removing sanding marks and holograms today... (https://fb.watch/4jkCcXbb-p/)



We go LIVE in about 45 minutes.


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[Mike Phillips]

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I will also be sharing an article I wrote and a technique I use and share when wetsanding.


The Rule of Thumb (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/wet-sanding-cutting-buffing/25042-rule-thumb.html)


http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/722/RuleOfThumb.jpg




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[Mike Phillips]

One more then it's time to mic-up...


Here's a couple of still shots....


Here's the car out in full overhead sunlight...

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Here's in the garage ready to film...

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Fingers are crossed I don't screw this up! :D


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[2black1s]

Just participated. Great Demo Mike!

[Mike Phillips]

Just participated. Great Demo Mike!




Thanks for watching John. I was nervous knowing a "real" body and paint guy was going to be watching. :bolt: :dig:


If I were not doing this on camera live I would be more exact in everything I did but when doing it live on camera you have to be sensitive to the time issue and also try to stay out of the way of the camera view.


I'll take pictures when I'm all done, she's going to come out real nice.


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[2black1s]

Thanks for watching John. I was nervous knowing a "real" body and paint guy was going to be watching. :bolt: :dig:


If I were not doing this on camera live I would be more exact in everything I did but when doing it live on camera you have to be sensitive to the time issue and also try to stay out of the way of the camera view.



I'll take pictures when I'm all done, she's going to come out real nice.


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Mike Phillips nervous? I don't believe you LOL

I get the camera thing.

This is the second or third one of these Thursday deals I watched. I don't always have the time... but being retired is certainly a benefit. I like to say that there are only a very few benefits to getting older, and being retired is definitely one of them.

[2black1s]

Hey Mike,

I hope you look at this thread again so you see this.

I just spent the afternoon cleaning one of my bikes and my truck (waterless). While I was in my garage doing that something from today's broadcast came to mind...

Early on you did some paint thickness measurements. At the end it must have slipped your mind and you didn't take any after measurements.

If you could follow up with that I think it could help many here. I read so many threads of those who are understandably a little timid when it comes to polishing... All the chatter about how thin paint is can be a double edged sword. On one hand it is very true. On the other, it can be a scary, intimidating, and limiting factor for some. What they don't realize is how little paint is actually removed during a typical polishing session, especially when you are working on factory baked finishes.

I'm not sure what the accuracy/resolution of the gauge you used is, but I'd bet that your after readings today, if you had taken them, would be negligible if determinable at all. My guess would be in the one to two tenths of a mil range; and possibly so little change that you couldn't positively identify the change with your gauge.

Even if the change turned out to be somewhat greater than my guestimate, given all the steps, i.e., sanding, compounding with wool and a rotary, then polishing, on a fairly fresh paint job, it could still calm some nerves and put some context to the "paint is thin" mantra.

Then again, maybe due to the paint being so fresh you may have removed a bit more than I surmise, and that could blow a huge hole in my thought process here, but it would be interesting to see the measurement results nevertheless.

[dgage]

I’ve asked Mike this before related to compounding/polishing and as you said, so little paint is removed that it is within the normal deviation of the thickness readings. Maybe with the sanding there would be enough of a difference to show a measurable and repeatable difference. Good question.

[Mike Phillips]

Hey Mike,

I hope you look at this thread again so you see this.

I just spent the afternoon cleaning one of my bikes and my truck (waterless). While I was in my garage doing that something from today's broadcast came to mind...

Early on you did some paint thickness measurements. At the end it must have slipped your mind and you didn't take any after measurements.

If you could follow up with that I think it could help many here.



Exaclty. Both of us simply forgot to re-read the paint in that one area and measure the paint. The good news is the car is still out in the garage so I can go measure - and I will.







I read so many threads of those who are understandably a little timid when it comes to polishing... All the chatter about how thin paint is can be a double edged sword. On one hand it is very true. On the other, it can be a scary, intimidating, and limiting factor for some. What they don't realize is how little paint is actually removed during a typical polishing session, especially when you are working on factory baked finishes.

I'm not sure what the accuracy/resolution of the gauge you used is, but I'd bet that your after readings today, if you had taken them, would be negligible if determinable at all. My guess would be in the one to two tenths of a mil range; and possibly so little change that you couldn't positively identify the change with your gauge.



The paint gauge I was using is an American-made, very high accuracy Defelsko Paint Thickness Gauge. Before going live I installed a brand new battery and then re-calibrated the gauge. I would bet my life on the readings.

Here's my article on this exact tool and it's in-depth.

All about the Defelsko Paint Thickness Gauge by Mike Phillips (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-mike-phillips-your-detailing-questions/104055-all-about-defelsko-paint-thickness-gauge-mike-phillips.html)








Even if the change turned out to be somewhat greater than my guesstimate, given all the steps, i.e., sanding, compounding with wool and a rotary, then polishing, on a fairly fresh paint job, it could still calm some nerves and put some context to the "paint is thin" mantra.

Then again, maybe due to the paint being so fresh you may have removed a bit more than I surmise, and that could blow a huge hole in my thought process here, but it would be interesting to see the measurement results nevertheless.




As I'm typing, it's 9:30am on Friday morning. We shot the video last night. I have not re-measured the paint so I don't know how much I removed. BUT - knowing how safe 3M Trizact #3000 is and how safe that compound I used is - my guess the amount of paint will be very little.

I have to go out to the garage this morning and teach some young ladies how to machine polish Isinglass - when doing this - I'll measure the paint, take pictures and post to this thread.

Apologies for not doing this at the end of the video but I simply forgot to measure and my mind was on a customer bringing me a car to prep for a big car show next weekend that was outside being unloaded off a trailer.


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Hang tight.... I'll be back...


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[Mike Phillips]

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Here's screenshots of the "before" paint thickness measurements...


In this one area, a section I'm getting a range of 18 to 19 mills


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http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/4239/aPTG_002.JPG



Stay tuned, will take some fresh measurements and post later.



:buffing:

[Mike Phillips]

Here you go...

Yancy and I took a number of different readings in the same general area and here's the lowest reading...


http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/4239/aPTG_003.JPG


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[Mike Phillips]

Continued...

Here's the Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Hi-Tech Finesse Tack Sponges

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