Turtle Wax GRAPHENE Flex Wax

[Klasse Act]

I've watched all three vid's and my takeaway is the performance of Adam's is abysmal and the other two are mediocre at best.

Why would you pay $25 for a bottle of these graphene products when run of the mill polymer sealants for $10-$15 a bottle give the same performance.

Also not to hate on Pan too much but his is the only vid that shows round high contact angle beads. The others show fairly flat irregular beads. Graphene coating don't look all that hydrophobic imo except for Pan. Maybe he's related to David Copperfield? IDk.I assume your referring to ICE Seal and Shine, both versions and the ICE Spray Wax and if so, you have a point, a valid point. I know price doesn't always mean better, ofcoarse but the Seal and Shine is what, $15 and this new Flex Wax is $25. I know people in general are cheap a$$' and us here will generally spend that extra $10 but it's getting a little redundant IMO. I remember buying IGL Premier a couple years ago during a 25% off sale here and the original MSRP was SIXTY FIVE DOLLARS, did I get ripped off, even with the discount[emoji848][emoji849]

"Fool me once, shame on YOU....fool me twice shame on ME!"

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[rick100]

I've watched all three vid's and my takeaway is the performance of Adam's is abysmal and the other two are mediocre at best.

Why would you pay $25 for a bottle of these graphene products when run of the mill polymer sealants for $10-$15 a bottle give the same performance.

Also not to hate on Pan too much but his is the only vid that shows round high contact angle beads. The others show fairly flat irregular beads. Graphene coating don't look all that hydrophobic imo except for Pan. Maybe he's related to David Copperfield? IDk.

Or maybe he is just prepping the surface properly... jimbo is the guy who thinks eraser is good enough to remove sealants..

On one hand who have a guy showing his prep work, in the other hand we have a guy showing us no prep work.

I ll wait till the product is tested by forensic or other guys. I need to see glosss readings !!

[acuRAS82]

I assume your referring to ICE Seal and Shine, both versions and the ICE Spray Wax and if so, you have a point, a valid point. I know price doesn't always mean better, ofcoarse but the Seal and Shine is what, $15 and this new Flex Wax is $25. I know people in general are cheap a$$' and us here will generally spend that extra $10 but it's getting a little redundant IMO. I remember buying IGL Premier a couple years ago during a 25% off sale here and the original MSRP was SIXTY FIVE DOLLARS, did I get ripped off, even with the discount[emoji848][emoji849]

"Fool me once, shame on YOU....fool me twice shame on ME!"
Were you fooled? I’m using IGL Premier right now and it blows HS Ceramic Spray and TW ICE and Seal N Shine away. That doesn’t mean everyone finds the large price difference worth it, but for those looking for top-notch performance, it likely is.

[dennis b]

I assume your referring to ICE Seal and Shine, both versions and the ICE Spray Wax and if so, you have a point, a valid point. I know price doesn't always mean better, ofcoarse but the Seal and Shine is what, $15 and this new Flex Wax is $25. I know people in general are cheap a$$' and us here will generally spend that extra $10 but it's getting a little redundant IMO. I remember buying IGL Premier a couple years ago during a 25% off sale here and the original MSRP was SIXTY FIVE DOLLARS, did I get ripped off, even with the discount[emoji848][emoji849]

"Fool me once, shame on YOU....fool me twice shame on ME!"

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Actually I was referring to the older polymers like FinishKare poly wipe/ body shine, Sonus Acrylic spritz, DG Aquawax, Ultima Acrylic Spray wax among others in that price range. They all apply easily and give nice short term results. Apply them while drying on a bi-monthly basis and your good to go. Easy peazy no prep application for any of them. Just wash the car, apply and dry.

I had a lot of streaking with S&S Ice and HS Ceramic wet wax so I really didn't think to even include them in the $10-15 range because I wouldn't use them again.

Absolutely redundant. None of the new products are putting the less expensive older products to shame.

[Klasse Act]

Were you fooled? I’m using IGL Premier right now and it blows HS Ceramic Spray and TW ICE and Seal N Shine away. That doesn’t mean everyone finds the large price difference worth it, but for those looking for top-notch performance, it likely is.I tried it quite some time ago and IIRC I did REALLY like it but I try so many things that even a pricey products gets buried by other products, LOL.

What do you like/see that's noticeable about IGL Premier over the other products[emoji848]

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[dennis b]

Or maybe he is just prepping the surface properly... jimbo is the guy who thinks eraser is good enough to remove sealants..

On one hand who have a guy showing his prep work, in the other hand we have a guy showing us no prep work.

I ll wait till the product is tested by forensic or other guys. I need to see glosss readings !!

Look at TW's own promo video at :37 seconds into the video. It also shows flat irregular beading. I agree product need to be tested by more people and some gloss readings to see if it's worth the price.

You know who really has great unbiased video's is Car Craft detailing out of Australia. Problem is he doesn't get new products as fast as we do.

[Klasse Act]

I believe what your saying because you really have NO reason to lie. I say this because I've had great success with HS Wet wax, I really REALLY like it! The original S&S went on and off with ZERO issues and their spray wax I've used both wet and dry and same thing, flawless[emoji6]

Streaking is usually from overuse and because your bere on AG and been around a while I'm sure that's not the issue.

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[dennis b]

I believe what your saying because you really have NO reason to lie. I say this because I've had great success with HS Wet wax, I really REALLY like it! The original S&S went on and off with ZERO issues and their spray wax I've used both wet and dry and same thing, flawless[emoji6]

Streaking is usually from overuse and because your bere on AG and been around a while I'm sure that's not the issue.

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Its my climate. The high humidity and early morning heat cause certain products to streak for me. I believe the carrier solvents evaporate before I can spread the product evenly. HS products seem to do this where products from other companied don't. All part of my frustration when I see others getting good results with certain products and I don't. I have had great results with Ultima products. They are based in Florida and do their testing in Florida so I chalk that up to being the reason they work. Same climate and conditions.

[Rsurfer]

Its my climate. The high humidity and early morning heat cause certain products to streak for me. I believe the carrier solvents evaporate before I can spread the product evenly. HS products seem to do this where products from other companied don't. All part of my frustration when I see others getting good results with certain products and I don't. I have had great results with Ultima products. They are based in Florida and do their testing in Florida so I chalk that up to being the reason they work. Same climate and conditions.

You should move.:D

[dennis b]

You should move.:D

I've been thinking about it. After twenty years I've developed an aversion to palm tree's. Why can't the fronds just turn yellow then red in the fall. I miss the north sans the snow.

Any houses for sale in your neighborhood? :laughing:

[Klasse Act]

The best move is NO move! The beautiful snow is VERY overrated and trust me, what isnt overrated is being able to wash your car ANY day you want[emoji779]

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[rick100]

Look at TW's own promo video at :37 seconds into the video. It also shows flat irregular beading. I agree product need to be tested by more people and some gloss readings to see if it's worth the price.

You know who really has great unbiased video's is Car Craft detailing out of Australia. Problem is he doesn't get new products as fast as we do.

Is that sandro??. I think i checked one of his videos on beadmaker. It was a nice comparison but he was a bit unfair on not pointinf out beadmaker was much cheaper than the products he was comparing. But his other videos were pretty good. I ll def check his review on this

Here is a thought. Im assuming water behaviour is important because this is a standalone product correct? However ceramic coatings may have excellent water beading but they are not well regarded on water spotting therefore they all required some kind of topper. So why is it that we give a pass to ceramic coating even thought it requires a lot of maintenance and toppers and we judge this products that cost a lot less, easier application , etc etc so much.

Also, i was always under the impression that the paint takes the characteristic of a topper product. So why is water beating so important for products that require toppers?. This is something i find hard to understand.

If grahene products do not have the water spoting issue and they are easy to apply, cheaper , they still offer chemical resistance , and they make your car easier to clean , couldnt they also be use with some kind of topper product to improve the water behaviour

I have one of my car coated and im not sold on the price and all the maintenance required to keep this coating going. I also cant get on board with sealants as they are not as good as standalone products. I think this is where graphene or light coatings peak my interest

I could go on for a while on why i do not want to do a full ceramic coating after having my car coated for 5 years.. that is a different story. Im finding myself in somewhere between a selant and a ceramic coating

[briarpatch]

I also cant get on board with sealants as they are not as good as standalone products.

You do not consider a sealant a stand alone product? If not, why not? What, in your opinion, is a stand alone product?

[Craig Encinitas]

I want to keep it on topic, but...

Regarding any and all product reviews from anyone...
I have to realize that I’m watching a YouTube’r, not a paid professional. Any of us can have a channel.
What I struggle to tolerate are repetitive phrases:

“As you can see...”, the worst offender.
“So simple!”, okay?
“Very very glossy!”, nice.
“Super super slick!”, even better.
“Basically...basically all you do”- I get it, and got it the first time you said it.

I wonder if anyone bothers to listen to their own videos. If I can see it, there’s no reason for you to say, “as you can see”. And if I can’t see it, then I can’t see it, and you’re wrong.


Now, the next time you watch a review, take note of how many times you hear that. To me, if we don’t talk about the pro’s and con’s of a product, it’s not unbiased. I don’t mind if it’s a sales pitch, and I can choose to not watch it.

Now, about the Graphene. Turtle Wax will price these at such an affordable value, there’s not much reason for me not to try it.

And for the skeptics, if you haven’t used any of the products, how would you know?

...Your mileage may vary.

[dennis b]

Now, about the Graphene. Turtle Wax will price these at such an affordable price, there’s not much reason for me not to try it. Your mileage may vary.

I think you just touched on the most important unknown. Will a $25 bottle last you all year or will you have to reapply every two weeks as a drying aid to maintain 100% protection. One bottle a year at $25 a year sounds lucrative. Four bottles a year to maintain effectiveness doesn't sound affordable. Being pessimistic by nature I think TW wants us to buy more than one bottle a year.