Can one ceramic coat single stage paint??

[TMQ]

There’s an old caddy covert with very clean single stage paint. It look good as it is. Probably need a good cleaning and maybe a mild polish.

Just never occurred to me if one can actually lay down a coating on single stage paint.

BTW-I have not seen this. Someone was telling about it and was wondering if coating can be done.

Tom


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[MarkD51]

I see no reason against such.

Maybe this past article from Mike P will help answer some of your questions.

Can you apply a ceramic coating to old school single stage lacquer paint? (https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-mike-phillips-your-detailing-questions-/123651-can-you-apply-ceramic-coating-old-school-single-stage-lacquer-paint.html)

[98CayenneTA]

Yes, I actually do it somewhat often with zero negative effects.

I, myself, no matter how in depth the correction I always make Carpro Essence my base before coating.

This 5.0 is going on 2 years and is still beading very well and also not even a hint of oxidizing.

That Grand National is also performing very well to date. (About 6 months)


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[fly07sti]

I totally agree with 98CayanneTA. I always do at least a quick polish with Essence prior to coating with UK3.0. And yes I have coated numerous SS paints with a ceramic coating with no ill effects. I personally like waxing SS paints, but if a customer wants there vehicle coated, it’s getting coated.

[Sizzle Chest]

Tom, you can. I have. You can sometimes run into blotchiness on some SS paint.

I've only run across this on one vehicle, Ferrari 308 in Rosso Corsa. Don't know if it was that particular paint, color or what, but it had some blotchy marks in certain areas after coating. I re-polished and re-coated and it seemed ok in a variety of lighting.

I'm still wary about doing it and as stated above, I prefer to wax or seal SS paint.

[TMQ]

Thanks everyone....

Will let owner know that it's possible. But will need to see the car and do a test.

Thanks..

Tom

[Mike Phillips]

Just to comment....

There's a reaction difference to OLD oxidized single stage paint versus any single stage paint that already has a hard shine.

There's also 2 different kinds of single stage paint.

Old school solvent evaporation single stage paint - this would be old school lacquer or enamel

Modern single stage URETHANE - like Toyota still uses for some of their white vehicles.


FWIW


And - Always do a TEST SPOT before trying to


Chemically strip the paint
Install the coating



Chemically striping some old single stage paint, in other words WIPING THEM WITH A SOLVENT - might tend to make the paint look dull. This is because they tend to me more porous and more susceptible to dulling via chemicals.




:)

[Mike Phillips]

Here's an CUSTOM URETHANE single stage paint

Detailer’s Paint Coating on Single Stage Paint (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/67950-detailer-s-paint-coating-single-stage-paint.html)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/1957/1932_Ford_Phaeton_007.jpg




:)

[Mike Phillips]

Here's a FACTORY URETHANE single stage paint


This is also a text book example of taking a great before picture (before you make a shiny spot doing your Test Spot), and then framing up and taking the same location shot for the after shot.


RUPES EASY GLOSS System - EXTREME MAKEOVER - 2006 Toyota Tundra - YEARS of neglect! (https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fy8eaahkw)



BEFORE

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/3526/Tundra_EM_003.JPG



AFTER

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/3526/Tundra_EM_070.JPG







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[TMQ]

Thanks Mike...

That is why need to see the paint. Been repainted back in 70's or 80's. Not sure.

Thinking---Custom Urethane because of repaint.

Need to make sure it is not the old lacquer or enamel paint!

Tom

[57Rambler]

That is why need to see the paint. Been repainted back in 70's or 80's. Not sure.

Thinking---Custom Urethane because of repaint.

Need to make sure it is not the old lacquer or enamel paint!

Tom


I doubt it is urethane unless it was painted in the late 80's.

My guess would be acrylic enamel.

[TMQ]

Rambler..

I think you might be just right! Acrylic enamel is what I am hoping for. Can coat that!

Tom

[Mike Phillips]

:bump:

For everyone reading this into the future, wondering if they can apply a ceramic coating to a single stage paint?

First - the key question is - WHAT KIND OF SINGLE STAGE PAINT? Some new cars have single stage paint. Coat them.


BUT - if you're working on antique single stage paint, i.e. lacquer or enamel, I answer this question in this video a the 30:14 time mark.



https://youtu.be/nS4jfCWsqT0?t=1814


:)