BMW “Frozen Paint”: Anyone with experience with this type of paint?

[Dan Tran]

A long time client of mine is looking to get this car pictured here. Does anyone have a clue of where to begin?

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I heard to ONLY use BMW specific car care products. I also read not to use microfiber towels. Do not touch with regular soap. Do not buff it. Do not coat it. Do not wax it.

What’s true and what’s not?

Any information will be useful. Thanks!

[Bill D]

Wouldn’t surprise me if none of that is true.

[brianc636]

Doesn’t McKee’s or someone similar offer matte specific paint products?

[Brandon Wetch]

Spray sealants are great on matte cars. Paste waxes don’t work that well because it clogs up. There are spray and paste waxes AND ceramic coatings made specifically for matte paints.


Of coarse bmw will say only buy bmw specific products.


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[FUNX650]

•IMO:
-If you want to keep Frozen (Matte finish)
Auto paints in their OEM Frozen condition
for as long as possible [or at the very least:
for the duration of ‘The Paint Warranty’s’
allotted time period];

-Then:
Only use Matte-specific products to
clean and protect BMW’s Frozen paint.

{Car-wash Shampoos that contain gloss
enhancers, Waxes, etc.; along with other
products that contain Abrasives and Waxes;
are definitely off-limits!}

•Microfiber towels?
-One of the best, nay: THE BEST car-care
towels to ever come down the pike.
-As always: Prudence prevails.


Bob

[Billy Baldone]

Dr Beasley’s makes matte specific products

[jdgamble]

Tons of matte products out there. BMW makes a wax. Car soap shouldn’t matter, but they probably have matte products for that as well. Search AG retail site and you’ll find plenty of options.


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[Sizzle Chest]

Can't polish it. You can coat it.

[JKDesign]

As others have stated and your research shows:

You cannot polish it. But you can coat it and protect it. Dr. Beasly's and McKees 37 both make some fantastic top-notch matte paint care products. You really can't go wrong with either.

----I will also add my knowledge/experience from the collision repair industry side of things. If any paint repairs need to be made- the process of matching the paint and sheen is downright nerve wracking for any painter. It is triple the amount of work/test spray panels as what is typically required for just a 3-stage paint repair. The good news is that Herb Chambers new state of the art collision repair facility (I believe it is down in Allston, MA) is certified by BMW for repair of Frozen Paint equipped vehicles (they are also certified by Mercedes for their equivalent).

***Take these facts/research back to your client and help them make an informed decision based on their budget/expectations for this investment.

[Mike Phillips]

A long time client of mine is looking to get this car pictured here. Does anyone have a clue of where to begin?



You actually do have a clue as to where to begin and that was to start this thread on this forum. :xyxthumbs:





I heard to ONLY use BMW specific car care products. I also read not to use microfiber towels. Do not touch with regular soap. Do not buff it. Do not coat it. Do not wax it.

What’s true and what’s not?

Any information will be useful. Thanks!




From experience, most car manufacturers will make recommendations assuming the unwashed masses, (that's you and I), are also the lowest common denominators of the world, in other words, none of us are the sharpest tools in the shed.

The dealerships for these manufactures are also the primary culprits for doing the most damage to their own brand or marque of car.

Go figure?


Here's your pictures, cool looking car

https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/attachments/auto-detailing-101-a/68710d1579470799-bmw-frozen-paint-anyone-experience-type-paint-adjustments-jpg


GYEON makes very high quality product and offers matte specific ceramic coatings. Take a look at what they offer both for a coating and maintenance.


If I were in your shoes, I would also be VERY PRO-ACTIVE in educating the owners about how to take care of coated matte paint. Most people know squat about their car in general, very little about car paint and even less about matte paint.

Feel free to share the link to my article here.

How to safely wash a ceramic coated car by Mike Phillips - Traditional Hose & Bucket Approach (https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-to-articles-by-mike-phillips/122818-how-safely-wash-ceramic-coated-car-mike-phillips-traditional-hose-bucket-approach.html)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/3801/Pro_Ceramic_Coating_Wash_076.JPG






I share this with all my customers as well as explain to them sternly that they CANNOT take their car to any type of mechanical car wash. Their options are,

1: Wash it themselves using the technique I share above.

2: Hire a pro detailer to wash their car for them on a regular schedule.

3: Take the car to a respected touchless wash.

Any other option will lead to marring, swirls, scratches or worse.

I cover all this in my car detailing classes, I wish you could have attended the one you wanted to attend a few months ago.






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[Dan Tran]

You actually do have a clue as to where to begin and that was to start this thread on this forum. :xyxthumbs:





From experience, most car manufacturers will make recommendations assuming the unwashed masses, (that's you and I), are also the lowest common denominators of the world, in other words, none of us are the sharpest tools in the shed.

The dealerships for these manufactures are also the primary culprits for doing the most damage to their own brand or marque of car.

Go figure?


Here's your pictures, cool looking car

https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/attachments/auto-detailing-101-a/68710d1579470799-bmw-frozen-paint-anyone-experience-type-paint-adjustments-jpg


GYEON makes very high quality product and offers matte specific ceramic coatings. Take a look at what they offer both for a coating and maintenance.


If I were in your shoes, I would also be VERY PRO-ACTIVE in educating the owners about how to take care of coated matte paint. Most people know squat about their car in general, very little about car paint and even less about matte paint.

Feel free to share the link to my article here.

How to safely wash a ceramic coated car by Mike Phillips - Traditional Hose & Bucket Approach (https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-to-articles-by-mike-phillips/122818-how-safely-wash-ceramic-coated-car-mike-phillips-traditional-hose-bucket-approach.html)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/3801/Pro_Ceramic_Coating_Wash_076.JPG






I share this with all my customers as well as explain to them sternly that they CANNOT take their car to any type of mechanical car wash. Their options are,

1: Wash it themselves using the technique I share above.

2: Hire a pro detailer to wash their car for them on a regular schedule.

3: Take the car to a respected touchless wash.

Any other option will lead to marring, swirls, scratches or worse.

I cover all this in my car detailing classes, I wish you could have attended the one you wanted to attend a few months ago.






:)

Thank you so much for your support. I am so thankful this forum existence Mike. There is always something to learn. With that said, I still desire to attend one of your classes. But what I do know is once I do, I am sure I will wish I attended sooner.

Until then, thanks for all you do.

Getting back on topic, I called Optimum and spoke to one of their specialist. Besides compound and polish (obviously) they mentioned the whole line of car car products is safe to use on this type of paint.

I also had a direct conversation with one of the key guys over at The Rag Company. He mentioned that because of the texture of some matte finish paint to use a low pile or non plush towel.

It was also mentioned that claying is a “catch 22”. Should claying be necessary...to make sure to use ultra fine clay with LOTS of lubrication.

HOWEVER, unless PPF is installed or even a coating, the paint is pretty much the type that will get a basic hand wash and matte finish wax—though Optimum also said that Opti-Seal and Optimum Car Wax is fine.

[JKDesign]

HOWEVER, unless PPF is installed or even a coating, the paint is pretty much the type that will get a basic hand wash and matte finish wax—though Optimum also said that Opti-Seal and Optimum Car Wax is fine.

Dan not sure if you have teamed up with anyone in the area for PPF for any of your customers, but it is something to consider speaking to the customer about. There is always the option of matte PPF. There is one gentleman that has been serving the majority of dealerships (we used him at the Porsche dealership) and bodyshops in southern Maine for PPF installations and he does have experience with installing matte PPF. I can get you his contact info if needed. An $8k-$10k wrap is much cheaper to mess up than a $20k-$30k paint job.

[Dan Tran]

Dan not sure if you have teamed up with anyone in the area for PPF for any of your customers, but it is something to consider speaking to the customer about. There is always the option of matte PPF. There is one gentleman that has been serving the majority of dealerships (we used him at the Porsche dealership) and bodyshops in southern Maine for PPF installations and he does have experience with installing matte PPF. I can get you his contact info if needed. An $8k-$10k wrap is much cheaper to mess up than a $20k-$30k paint job.

So there is a guy that I know like 5 mins from me. But send His information over anyway.

Ps:

The customer already bought the car pictured. I was about to recommend matte PPF. Oh well. It will be good to have some extra contacts available.


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