Can you convince me?

[PaulMys]

Ok, my friends. Here we go....

I have used and Loved HD Speed. Don't really care what it is called now, it just works. But, my bottle will be gone after my next use.

Anyway...... Here is my situation/question:

I baby my paint to the point that I need very minimal correction. Speed always fits the bill.

I am curious about the BF one step.

Here are my points I want opinions on:

Will the BF provide the slickness of Speed?

Is it as easy to remove? (I have read so, and I just want opinions).

Also, I really need someone to convince me that I have to buy 32 ounces of the BF if it is THAT much better than Speed.

I might have already pulled the trigger on a 16oz. bottle, but for the price of the quart......... Nope.

Thoughts?

[TMQ]

Hummm...

They are about the same.

If you want to "spilt hairs"---speed just a tad glossier, Blackfire cuts tad better. But then...too close to call. Some days on some cars speed is better, other times BF...

I can send you some BF One step in a container for you to mess around before spending any $$$ if you want.

Tom

[Jayfro]

I'm in process of full correction with BF1, had some nasty marring from a previous product not sold by AG, it is very easy to remove after a section pass or leaving it on the panel anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour. I've never used speed so I cannot speak about it. I'll be posting pics tomorrow and the correction is absolutely amazing.


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[FUNX650]

I may not be able to convince you,
but, IMO, the below link presents a
rather convincing testimonial to its
overall effectiveness that, just may,
influence you enough to at least give
it a shot.

For example, you could take Tom
up on his offer:


I can send you some BF One step in a
container for you to mess around before
spending any $$$ if you want.
Tom

10 Month Update - BLACKFIRE One Step - BLACK 700 HP Hennessy Corvette (https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/blackfire-wax-products/122649-10-month-update-blackfire-one-step-black-700-hp-hennessy-corvette.html)


Bob

[Jayfro]

During the daytime, the panel in front looks like the rear panel, you would never know there was marring. Saying that, it’s now VERY apparent (albeit embarrassing)! I saw this earlier today (during the daytime) when my wife and I were going to the movies, I was blown away at the difference, it’s more dramatic in person! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190616/793390334adcedfda03a7be92f832ec3.jpg


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[expdetailing]

During the daytime, the panel in front looks like the rear panel, you would never know there was marring. Saying that, it’s now VERY apparent (albeit embarrassing)! I saw this earlier today (during the daytime) when my wife and I were going to the movies, I was blown away at the difference, it’s more dramatic in person! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190616/793390334adcedfda03a7be92f832ec3.jpg


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Could you please explain what you meant here. I would like to know what's going on in the picture.

[Jayfro]

I was trying to show the cutting ability of BF1, the front door hasn’t been worked on compared to the back door.


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[Scott in Houston]

maybe a dumb question, but for both BF and HD/3D Speed, is it ok to use them on the same car a couple or few times a year without taking too much clear coat?

[Paul A.]

maybe a dumb question, but for both BF and HD/3D Speed, is it ok to use them on the same car a couple or few times a year without taking too much clear coat?

Yes, absolutely and not a dumb question.

Paulie, I would take the offer from Tom and play with a sample. If I had some I would love to send you some.

[Scott in Houston]

Yes, absolutely and not a dumb question.
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Thanks. I love it, and wanted to keep using it each time, but was concerned it would abrade the paint too much over time. I know it's a very light abrasive, but I'm new to this. Appreciate it.

[acuRAS82]

maybe a dumb question, but for both BF and HD/3D Speed, is it ok to use them on the same car a couple or few times a year without taking too much clear coat?

I think it’s ok, but since you hopefully aren’t taking out many defects at this rate, stick with a non-aggressive pad (LC white or green for example) and not too many passes, since you shouldn’t need much more.

[custmsprty]

Hummm...

They are about the same.

If you want to "spilt hairs"---speed just a tad glossier, Blackfire cuts tad better. But then...too close to call. Some days on some cars speed is better, other times BF...

I can send you some BF One step in a container for you to mess around before spending any $$$ if you want.

Tom

Intersting, I tested BF AIO a couple weekends ago and found in my testing it doesn't cut as well as Speed. I used the same machine and pad combo on both. Boss 21 w / 5" bp and orange pad.

Here it is after two weeks after a heavy tropical down pour. Wife's ride. This will get a real world test, no washing, no detail toppers. We'll see how it holds up to the end of July which will be about 8 weeks.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190616/e66cfa52a92d19b0c1a5a959780ad321.jpg

[PaulMys]

Hummm...

They are about the same.

If you want to "spilt hairs"---speed just a tad glossier, Blackfire cuts tad better. But then...too close to call. Some days on some cars speed is better, other times BF...

I can send you some BF One step in a container for you to mess around before spending any $$$ if you want.

Tom

Thank you SO much, Tommy. Your offer does not surprise me, as you are a very genuine dude and the kind of forum member this place is all about.

However, I have decided to re-arm with Speed. It works for me, and I love it.

Thanks again, Tom! :)

[ducksfan]

I'm a big fan of BF One Step. I think it's easier to work with than Speed. As far as correction, It corrects fine for 2-3 passes ( which the way I use an AIO is all I want/do).

Follow it up a few days later with a wash and wipe down of Sonax PNS (or maybe Megs Fast Finish) for months of a nice finish.

[SWETM]

Would be interesting to see a side by side test with 3D Speed and BF One Step. With a finishing foam pad on a either wet sanded or a panel with lots of different kind of swirls and scratches. To see which of them that has more cut from them with a combo that you want a lesser correction from.

Some AIO seems to have a great cut from them these days. But when you want to use them for the finish you get from them. You don't want it to cut to much to save as more clearcoat as possible. It can be that they have a very little cut on a finishing pad. That the little difference in the cut is no problem in this situation.

They both seems to be great AIO. I wonder sometimes if you would get the paint to a higher gloss level with a great finishing polish. And seal it in with the LSP of your choice. This is when you compare them with the protection left behind by the AIO is stripped off. The abrasive technology in the AIOs has really excelled so it may not be a difference between a finishing polish and the AIOs. When you only look at the gloss they get you from the polishing it self.